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Since the shhhhhhh topic is dedicated to letting everyone and their brother in on the arrival of our "special little deer creek friends" I decided to continue the wonderful debate on how crediable the WDFW is.

Since I worked in the Environmental industry for 3 years, here's what I observed going on.

And none of you are going to like it.

1. The government has decided to do some actual real scientific studies on our salmon because of the " Almost Endangered Listings" this has lead to the following:
a. A clamour for government contracts
b. A huge surge in the marine side of environmental consulting
c. Over studying the problem

2. Over studying the problem. We all know what it takes to save the salmon (take all them nets and drop them in acid vats, pretty picture ey?). Why do you ask is it taking so long?

a. Let's milk it to death
b. Let's not come to any conclusion (see a)
c. Let's concentrate on something we can really milk... HABITAT RESTORATION! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, $$$$$$

Because it would be really easy to just stop all netting and fishing for five years now wouldn't it. Let's see them put that report together?

So if you want to know what's going on right now with our government handling the crisis, they are figuring out how to restore the habitat.

When I tried to submit an article to the DJC environmental section about "What good does it do to restore habitat when they can't get to the already existing habitat to spawn anyway?" it didn't get published.

So that's where they're at, when they actually get to the WHY they aren't returning, that will be when the funding and all the habitat is restored and the dollars have run out. Estimates on that? I have no idea.

YIKES!
 

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I wasn't including dams in that rant but development, logging, etc...

But you've made a very good point.

Removing dams I think would be the ultimate in habitat restoration because you removing what's blocking and opening up tons of river and letting things return to the way it was.

Do you think that if we say for an example removed the Ross Dam on the Skagit that the summerruns would go back up and spawn? I can't remember if it was that, that killed them off or the tribal netting in the 70s.

Do you think if we removed the Elwah dam and cloned the giant kings (this is a happy thought) that it would come back?

As for your question about European Dams, that's nice they have the water ways, but the rivers are canals now and the fish are left wide open to predators. No where to run or hide.
 

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Hatchery Smolts Eat Wild Fry

Let's not forget about that one?

Sticks in your craw, don't it?

Let's look at times of year and numbers.

You release Skykomish 8 inch smolts (you know those rainbow trout everyone likes to catch in August), and when do the wild steelhead eggs hatch & become fry.

I have a friend that keeps sending me stuff on the salmon depletion due to "too many predators"...

He claims this is one of the biggest factors of all and I think he's right. If anyone wants me to send them the paper he helped right. Let me know, would love too.
 
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