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Atlantic Salmon Fly Swap - Sign Up

12-28-2001, 08:50 AM
In order to keep up with the other fly swaps in process (i.e. steelhead, saltwater, trout) to ensure Salmo Salar is represented an Atlantic Salmon fly swap is proposed.

Each person would tie one pattern of an atlantic salmon fly of their choice. Custom or traditional pattern. Hairwings, speys, tubes, etc. classic ties are optional (for those that can do them)

They would receive a fly back from each of the participating people.

Limit of people participating is ten which should be enough for the number of people which responded to the previous e-mail.

Sign up ends January 15th - Flies would be due to the coordinator by Febuary 1st.

Respond to this e-mail if you are interested. A list of those participating and instructions will be posted on January 15th.

Thanks and good tying. Nothing like an atlantic salmon pattern to test your skills on.

Hal :chuckle: :chuckle:

12-28-2001, 07:37 PM
I'll tie up a pattern i tie up similar to a atlantic salmon fly. Basicaly it's my own custom version ofa couuple flies I picked up when I fished on the Niagra a few years ago.

Willie Gunn
12-30-2001, 12:50 PM
I'll give it go. I'll tie a Willie Gunn tube fly as per the little picture.

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12-30-2001, 04:58 PM
Sorry Hal -

I am currently in every swap and the deadline is too soon to make them all!

I will participate in the next AS fly swap.

A great source for Waddington's in the US is Waters West in Port Angeles Washington.


12-30-2001, 08:56 PM

I was thinking of moving it to Mid February or so, does that help ?

Just found out I probably have to deliver a presentation in LA the second week of February which will make things tight for me up to that time.

Actually could do the end of February also, its not like any body except the British Isle members (Malcolm, etc.) will be able to use them before the spring in the US anyway ?


Willie Gunn
12-31-2001, 01:23 PM
Do not worry about me, it's so cold here the rivers could be frozen till February anyway.

Happy Hogmanay.


01-01-2002, 09:40 AM

Since there are already three swaps going on in January (steelhead, saltwater, trout) and it will be to cold to fish in most of our home waters, except those lucky caribbean or South American fly fishers etc..., the due date for the completion of the flies has been moved to Thursday February 28th.

Hopefully there will be other tyers that would like to participate. See the above guidelines for the swap.

Will also give me some more time to figure out how to do single Photo Shots from my Digital Palmcoder and the beginning of February now looks bad for me from a business perspective to coordinate the distributuion of the flys to the participants. Also need to further perfect the AS patterns prototyped over the holiday.

Happy New Year To All,


01-01-2002, 01:22 PM
Count me in.

01-05-2002, 02:04 PM
As of today here are the people registered for the swap.

Due date for flies is Feb 28th, Any pattern you like just tie all of the same pattern, different hook sizes is OK.

Willie Gunn

FredAevans - ?? Fred are you in this, not sure, Hal

Any one that wants in let us know, plenty of time (and winter)
left to try your skills on atlantic salmon ties. Note many of these can be used for PNW and Great Lakes steelhead so give them a try. If you are a Great Lakes steelheader though I would tie them in size 8 or smaller.

See previous messages on this.

01-06-2002, 11:55 PM
I guess you can say I'm ahead of the gaame, but since you saiid it's only goinng to be limited to 10 tiers I did minne up today and dropped them in the mail. You should have them sometimme this week, early nfollowing week. Figured, if you don't get 10, you can keep the rest. There already is an extra in there for you anyways. Hope you like them. Iit's a hairwing knockoff of a fly I got from a kind gentlemaan when Ii was in NY fishiingA Atlaantics. I couuldn't even comme close to tying it like he did, so switched it to a hairwing and made somme modifiications to it. I call it the Blue Bayou. It worked last time I hit the Niagara andd worked when the net pens broke here in WA with the Atlantics.

01-07-2002, 06:29 AM
OK, great but I am sure we will find more AS tyers out there some where when they realize they can be applied to iron heads also.

Will be looking for them this week.


01-11-2002, 09:27 PM
Received Steelheader 69 flies today.

Very cool hair wing tie. I think this color combination will work well for mid west steelhead and king salmon. Have you used it for PNW steelhead with any results ?

Great color combination. I don't see this one in any of AS pattern books. Thats what great about tying your own flies you can be creative and then try and tie

Have lots of room and time for other AS tyers to get in on this fly swap.

Let me know, see previous e-mail for specs.and due dates.


01-11-2002, 11:05 PM
I'm glad you liked them. It's actually based off an AS pattern, but QUITE loosely. I heavily customized it, but I got it from a guy who tied his own flies on the Niagara. His was more of a decorative fly that you'd see in a display (gut loop and all). I cried when I lost that fly.

I was never taught (eventhough I self taught myself to tie flies) to tie up a traditional faancy featherwing flies. So, ince I never got a name and pretty much redesigned the fly I naamed it myself. Called iit the Blue Bayou because of a commnt someone said about the fly after Ii tied the first ones up.

Yes, they do catch stelhead, more late winterruns/early summerruns. I normaly fish these on fair/good visibility. I've cauught somme Atlantics on them, but not "true" Atlantics. Caught the netpen atlantics thtaescaped a few years ago on Puget Sound.

Let me kknow how they work, or if you incorporate it into your flybox. I ways wondered how'd they work on Atlanntics on the east coast. I was a bit uneasy sending in AS flies, since I'm not an AS fisherman, but figured I'd give it a try.

01-12-2002, 07:41 AM

I am also self taught on fly tying. Started in 1980 when I was transferred to South Bend, Indiana which is right on the Michigan state line. I never had the time before that . Had been east coast (NYS Catskills and Northern NJ) trout fisherman since 1960.

In 1980 is when I started the Michigan steelhead pursuit and learning curve from point zero. Where, when, how, and with what to fish. The transformation from trout to salmon and steelhead started. Michigan has some great rivers and fish runs and remember Trout Unlimited started on the Ausable River in Michigan, and the first Brown trout in America were planted in the Pere Marquette in 1884.

Bought a fly tying kit from Kaufmans and the Trey Combs first Steelhead book. Had lots of time to get into it. We had our first child in 1981, the wife was grounded but she let me go fishing a lot. The rivers were a half hour to 3 hour drive from our home. Have some of my first flies boy were they crude, glad no one was around to see them, all of my fishing friends were back east, and were trout fisherman anyway, not salmon and steelhead.

Its great designing a fly and then going out and proving it will take fish. I have found it does not have to be a beautiful fly to be effective. We use a lot of specialized steelhead nymph patterns here in the Midwest. Will send you some for application and field testing out there on PNW waters.

What size do you fish and weighted or unweighted ?

I did not know that the Niagara had an atlantic run ? Do they still have one there of any significance ? I did not know about the PNW atlantic salmon farms until being on this forumn and their escapement into the rivers.


01-12-2002, 08:00 PM
Glad you liked the flies, hope the rest like them too.

I fished the Niagara about 6 years ago. Fished te NY side and awent with friend into te Ontario side. The fish I cauhgt sure looked lke Atlantics and the nice old gent I encountered on the bank near the town of Niagara NY on the Niagara river told me they were Atlantics. I boought my license, had my regs, but had no idea of what an Atlantic loked like. I had my buddies fly rod (too bad he had to work while I visited hiim in NY) and went down to he river. I was WAY unprepared. Hhe had al steelhead gear and big bushy winterrun flies for fishing the OlyPen. He hadn't fished there yet. Luckily this old man gave me some insight anda few flies. Hhe was using a very old bamboo spey rod (well, it loked like one, same type of handle but only about 11' long). He told me there was atlanics (I was told there were salmon in the river at the local sporting goods shop I bought my license) The flies worked like a charm, and the ish looked similar to king, just different spots and configuration. He told me they were atlantics and I tok his work for it. Do they have kings planted i that river? Could've been a funky king. Loked identicle to the the atlantis I cuaught in Olalla when th netpens broke a couple years ago. Any Niagara fisherman in here? Any insight on what runs in the niagara? Mmaaybe its'a morphed king?????

01-13-2002, 09:24 AM
The Blue Bayou looks like a salmon streamer type fly to me. Will give it a go out here when the proper scenario presents itself.

I know they have steelhead and king and probably coho salmon in the Niagara. But atlantic salmon may be a Zipperlip type scenario. Were not aware of them being there but they have been stocked by Canada, Michigan, Ohio, and maybe New York state through out the Great Lakes over the last 100 years.

Atlantic Salmon were native to Lake Ontario and maybe Lake Erie at one time.

Michigans program has not been successful. Not stocked them in the PM in late 70s when I fished for them, very few were ever caught except out in Lake Michigan.

Sounds like that old fellow has a good thing going and your were very lucky to have met him. We better not talk about much more open on the net.

Have to check it out further.



01-16-2002, 10:03 AM
The 15th (deadline) has come and gone. Are there just the four of us? If so, do we want to make any changes - say we each tie 2 flies?

01-16-2002, 10:17 AM
I would love to participate but am way too busy to do so until a later date. I can't promise any mixed wings for a swap but I can definitely whip up some traditionals. If you guys move the date out let me know, otherwise I look forward to seeing the recipes and images as a spectator.

Striblue... if they push back the date are you in this one too?


01-16-2002, 05:23 PM
OK, where do I send the flies?

01-16-2002, 05:53 PM
I just finished doing the trout swap flies, if it's not too late I'll do this one as well,
Ally's Shrimp OK?
Where do I send the flies?

01-16-2002, 05:56 PM
The Atlantic Salmon Fly Swap Due Date was changed to Feb 28th in my 1/1 post within this thread.

Lets make the sign up date deadline February 8th. Will then determine the number to tie by each person. Limited to ten people max. Tie what ever type AS pattern you like, those not in the books are most appreciated (Like Steelheader69's).

Hoping we would get more people to participate than just the current 4 people. They are Willie Gunn, Steelheader69, WRKE, and PMFLYFISHER.

I received Steelheader 69's flys last week.

Juro and Striblue and all others advise if you would like to particpate ? Think the other fly swaps on this board will be over by end of January.

Send the flies and tying instructions to following following address:

Hal Eckert
5504 W. Oak Center Drive
Oak Lawn, IL

01-29-2002, 03:54 PM
Hal, I would have participated but am committed on both the Saltwater and Pike Fly (what was I smoking:hehe: ) swaps.

01-29-2002, 04:25 PM
Hal -

You forgot to include Frenchcreek in your count!

Since you were good enough to move the deadline out you can count me in for hairwing salmon flies, Speys, Dees or traditional tubes, etc. I don't think I can commit to mixed wings right now or I will be doomed to failure to meet the schedule.

That makes 6 people so far...

While on the topic, and not directed at anyone in particular:

A few notes on swaps...

It's a misconception that the number of flies must match the people participating. Not everyone has to get a fly from everyone else, just the number they sent in.

The meister is typically responsible for scanning or photographing the flies for submitting to the archive. If this is a problem, just send them to someone who volunteers to do the imaging and forward them to the meister for distribution. You can always use me for a image broker for any swap we do on the forum.

Once the images are created, the tyer posts the image and the recipe themselves on the fly pattern archive. In this manner, each can express things about the fly and others can ask questions, etc. The pattern and knowledge is then saved for future readers.

Always tie one for the meister.

01-30-2002, 05:11 AM

OK, good will do a recount and reconfirmation to every one is Strblue in on this also ?


01-30-2002, 05:22 AM
Not sure, you're the meister so you gotta keep count :devil:

thanks for doing this Hal!

02-04-2002, 06:48 PM
As per previous posts the deadline for the flies to me is
February 28th the following people are in the swap:

1. Pmflyfisher
2. Steelheader 69 - Flies received (11)
3. Juro
4. Frenchcreek
5. Wrke
6. Willie Gunn

Unless we get 4 more people by this weekend to make ten participants as originally planned lets do 7 flies per participant. One for each other participant and one for the Swapmeister me.

So 7 flies each is due by Feb 28th to me who will then distribute to every one. See my home address in previous post above.

If any more people want to participate, possibly some of those new spey fisherman coming over from the other board they are welcome.

Max of ten people though to participate.

I will send a final message this weekend of the participant count this weekend to every one, watch this thread.

Any type of atlantic salmon pattern is good. Hairwing, spey, traditional, tube, etc....

Advise of questions, etc..


P.S. Jerry since you already sent in your ten if we do not get ten participants I will keep your extras and send you some of my special michigan steelhead ties in yours to make up the difference. You will get at least 10 flies back, who knows I may even empty my fly wallets on you. Man do I have to many flies now. Been tying a lot this winter.

02-04-2002, 07:56 PM
sent 7 today...
If we get to ten, I'll send 3 more

02-04-2002, 08:06 PM
French Creek

OK, will be looking for them.


02-05-2002, 03:20 PM
No problem on the flies. Hey, if you want to start dumping fklies on me, go for it. I won't be complaining. LOL

Hope those flies work for you. Let me know.

02-07-2002, 12:01 PM
7 flies are in the mail.

02-07-2002, 06:27 PM

OK, thanks will out the wife on alert for them and those from French Creek.

Dam women control the mail, money, and other male necessities

:hehe: :hehe:


02-11-2002, 06:51 PM
French Creek (aka Pete L.)

Pete received your flies today. Will look at when I get back from LA on Sunday. Will probably need some sanity after 5 days there.

If the rest hurry, we just may beat the Winter steelhead fly swap !! :D:D

Due date is still Feb 28th for the flies to me.



02-11-2002, 09:38 PM
You'll probably beat me. Ii'm only waiting on Mean Gene, a new swap particiapnt who's taking highlander's spot. Hhe never responded to me. I actually got ryan's flies todayy. So once Gene's shows up, they're flying out the door.

Hhey Hhal, what do you think of a summerrun fly swap? I'm thinking about meistering one. I'm stupid, I know. LOL

02-11-2002, 10:00 PM
Highlanders last post on 1/1 saying he had tied up 13 different flies. He is gone I would say, where who knows.

I am sure you will beat me. Still have flies coming from Juro and Willie Gunn from Scotland.

No rush

02-16-2002, 05:58 PM
Just wrapped up my flies. Last ones came in. Will be in mail by Monday. Good lord, and to think I brought up a summerrun fly swap. SHEESH

Yyeah, had that last email from highlander, but no responses to email or anything. He must haave dropped off the face of the earth. But some decent flies nonetheless.

02-17-2002, 09:16 AM
Received Willie Gunn and Wrke flies this week.

02-22-2002, 09:05 PM
Finally had some time to look at the flies received to date.

That LA trip last week kind of wiped me out at work this past week. Lots of catch up etc...

We have some unique Atlantic Salmon flies here:

Jerry (AKA Steelheader69) - Blue Bayou - Blue/green hair wing streamer type.

Malcolm (AKA Willie Gunn) - has tied what else but the infamous Scottish Willie Gunn tube fly.

Bill (AKA WRKE) - has tied a Black Bear Green Butt - Sparkle Variation. (Love this fly, one of the traditional ties I will fish here in the mid west with confidence)

Pete (AKA French Creek) - Ally's Shrimp - Very neat shrimp pattern. Looks easier to tie than a GP and prettier, hopefully to the fish also.

Juro (AKA Juro) - To be determined

Hal (AKA Pmflyfisher) - Hairwing pattern, still determining exactly which one to go with. I tied a bunch over the winter but may do something different.

Will be sending out the first week of March.

Due date for flies to me is Feb 28th.

Have some good fly tyers on this board.

I will not be using these flys but use them as specimens for other ties. Actually they are all to nice to risk losing on the river to the dreaded snag.


02-28-2002, 06:37 PM
Calling all outstanding atlantic salmon swap flies .

The due data of Feb 28th has arrived.

Juro I know you have had tough week with the server problems so as any good fly fisherman I can be very patient.

Will await your flies to do the mailing to participants.

Will get the mailers this weekend and prepare for it.


03-02-2002, 07:38 AM

Neat atlantic salmon fly tying page I just ran into, check it out.

Has detailed instructions on two of the flies in the swap.

Willie Gunn and Allys Shrimp

Also can down load e-books on a number of subjects

See the salmon fly tying e-book you can download for $ 5.

Looks like a great deal. Have to admit those UK atlantic salmon anglers have some unique beautiful flies, just wish we had more atlantic salmon here in the US to apply them to.

Enjoy !!

Willie Gunn
03-02-2002, 01:07 PM
Hi Hal
Had a brillant day on the Spey today, I landed a 7lb salmon on a 2"Willie Gunn. I landed the fish across from the Association water where the locals were chucking their baits, which made it even sweeter. There is nothing like catching a fish on the fly when the spinners fail.

Malcolm:D :D :D :D :D

03-02-2002, 09:50 PM

Excellent day on the Spey and also better when you can outfish the spin and bait fisherman. Actually, most of my fishing these days is on no kill flys only areas, so I do not have to compete with the spin and bait crowd anymore.

I guess I am an elitist FF, so be it.

Just read on a UK web page that the Spey can rise 12 FEET from the spring snow melt off. Wow that is a lot. No river here has a rise like that, unless we have a record torrential rain storms.



03-10-2002, 10:29 AM
Pmflyfisher (me) has completed his swap flies. I changed patterns doing a new AS hairwing variation which I will try on the Great Lake summer run steelhead this year.

Basically its a hybrid between a Rusty Rat and a Cossboom in my favorite steehead color, irish green. Very appropriate with St. Patricks day upon us.

It is in honor of my irish business colleague, John Keohane, lost in the 9/11 WTC collapse, I have named it the "Keohane Special" .

Below is the writeup on John. Very special person, I told him last year I would tie some flies for him this winter, well here they are, I would give up all future fly fishing if I could just bring John back from this tragic event.

He was a truly special person which I will remember for the remainder of my life. He was to be in Chicago on the night of 9/11 for a three day attorney's meeting which of course was cancelled.

03-13-2002, 01:30 PM
Juro, are they in the mail yet ?

03-19-2002, 11:20 PM
Damn I missed this whole thread. Getcha next time.

03-20-2002, 12:17 AM
PM -

I have to drop out of all three swaps I am late on. I've already told Gregg and will tell John shortly. Here it is 1:20am and I don't have a prayer of tying anytime soon.

Please proceed without me this time.



03-20-2002, 05:14 AM

Ok, understand, its looking like my job my cause me to drop out of spring steelhead fishing due to major mistakes by others on critical projects. That is going to make me very upset should that be the case.


03-24-2002, 04:40 PM
Flies will be mailed to you some time early this week.

Thanks for participating.


03-27-2002, 01:36 PM

Willie Gunn
French Creek

The atlantic salmon flies were mailed at 12 PM CST from Chicago today.

Be looking for them in a few days.



Willie Gunn
04-03-2002, 12:19 PM
Flies crossed the Atlantic safely, they are really superb

They will all get a swim on the Spey in due course.


04-03-2002, 02:25 PM
Willie, How will it look if you start catching salmon on flies tied by those rebels in the colonies?

04-03-2002, 02:48 PM

Let me know when you need replacements for that Keohane fly would love to have you tell me you landed a Scottish Atlantic Salmon from the Spey River on it.



Willie Gunn
04-03-2002, 03:06 PM
Yes I was taken by the story, it was a lovely thought.


10-18-2002, 08:36 PM
Here is a picture of Keohane Special.

Will do the other flies now that I have a digital camera.:D