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Old 01-25-2003, 01:13 PM
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Kings are not that leader shy in low light conditions and deep dark pools, I did not beleive it, until I tried the 15-20 lb test leaders, but they worked. Don't use them any more, actually don't fish for kings that much anymore due to the you know whats on the rivers during the peak periods.

Hint, if you use saltwater hooks like a 34007 there are few kings that are going to bend those hooks. Been using them since early 1980s for kings.

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Many times it is the hook which fails via bending due to the immense pressure you can place on them with a 10 weight and 15-20 lb test leader.


You lost me now which hooks are those??
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They most definitely are running during the Spey Clave.

Fresh Saugeen chinook of about #20 or more, in big water, with current and depth to work with will put way more of a bend in your rod than you would imagine. On my last drift trip, I was using a T&T 7 wt. with a click Marquis. The fish we landed were only in the 8# to 10# range. The ones we didn't land were larger. We had the advantage of being 70 miles upstream, in shallow water, with lots of room to get behind the fish, and a guide to chase it with a net. Considering how tough these little guys were, I can't imagine what a 30 pounder fresh from the lake would be like. The store owner told me last week of one steelhead trip where the sport hooked a huge chinook that fought him for 45 minutes before tossing the hook. So it's a guide story and probably accurate by half but it's still a tussle.

Saugeen fish start in August and carry through to October. They'll start stacking up in eary August if the weather is right. It's these fish that I want to target. Once you're into late October, these are very tired and ratty fish as are chinook everywhere on the GLs at that time. Get them early and it's quite different.

The 11 wt. is a decent idea (along with the Delta Long traditional multi that I hope to get) as I can reach some of the stacking up areas that float rodders and single handers can't fish. A smaller spey would work (14' 9 wt.) but the current is so strong there, if the fish gets in it, you better have the tackle. A pissed-off 30 pounder with a strong current up its arse isn't going to be turned by a wimpy stick.
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Mustad saltwater stainless steel hooks - 34007, 34011 there are lots of other types now.

Very strong and cheap. Don't think one has ever bent on me yet.

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How do you find the points on those Mustads? I bought a bunch for bass and pike flies plus a couple of trips to the Cape and the points took a lot of work to sharpen.

For freshwater use, these days I'm using only Kamasan Deep Water Salmon hooks. Pricey but I don't have to worry about the points.
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I never worry about the points on hooks for king salmon, but for steelhead I do. I don't care if I land them just want the fight for as long as possible.

Never heard of those hooks you reference. How expensive are they ?

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Kamasans are Japanese (I think) but judging by the number of people south of the border who tell me they they've never heard of them, they must only be available here. A box of 25 2/0 black salmon singles would cost about $7.50 USD.
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Thats not too expensive. Will check them out.

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P.S. Working on some new flies today, nymphs of course.
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Looks like we're both tying this evening. I'm (slowly) working on a bunch of green butt skunk speys. I think I'll take a crack at some of Syd Glasso's Heron patterns after I have enough skunks tied.
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I tied some Dan's electric green butt spey patterns today! Look very nice!
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green butt skunk speys

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Bad photo but it covers the mistakes well. :hehe:

http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...butt-skunk.jpg

The black spey hackle doesn't show well against the background but it's there.
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Replaced that embarrassingly bad photo

http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...butt-skunk.jpg

As most of my stock of hackle is rather poor for full length hackling, my flies are usually done in thirds, one third tag, on third floss and tinsel, one third wool, herl, or dubbing at the front. The hackle is wound only over the front third.

Have to start burning my own . . .

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[. Size 6-8s. Many times it is the hook which fails via bending due to the immense pressure you can place on them with a 10 weight and 15-20 lb test leader.

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Hal, then you must not be using them all the time. To me the use of salt water hooks in the GL is counter productive way too much over kill. Stainless will never go away with time. A normal hook will dissolve over time, brush up against a log with a stianless hook in it and you have ripped gore-tex.

15-20# leader is way too heavy, you don't need it. You will fair hook more kings on 10-12# maxima and be able to land them. Nice bonus of the lighter line in the ability to get the Browns and steelhead to hit.

Those babies at times lay right with the kings or lay directly behind.

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Peter,

Nice flies, you have the touch of a master.

Just in case you don't know Michigan has a 1/2" hook gap rule. When you come down in April make sure your boxes are free of the big boy hooks. Don't want to see you run afoul of the fish police.
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