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Old 01-22-2003, 09:17 PM
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Too bad Patagonia does not make big boy sizes. Some stuff fits some does not.

Check out the new Simms g3's, like Cartman says Sweeet. A bit pricy, but you can get 4-5 years use out of them. My old Simms are on their 5th year and still strong.
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My wardells neopremes have 10 years of use, now a backup. use. Great product I bought in Vancouver, BC for something like 120-140 US $$. You don't see many people with them in the states. I don't know how the quality of them are since they merged with Springbrook, but would definitely consider them again. Problem is no one in Chicago carrys them so you have to order them over the net from the pictures.

Maybe our canadian colleagues can comment on Spring Brook Wardell wader quality these days ?

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Best neos I ever had were custom ones made by Trek(long out of business) my last pair lasted 6 years of heavy use.
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The local shop has waders under the Wardell label again.

My Springbrook 5mm have lasted pretty good considering the Niagara abuse they've received.
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Old 01-29-2003, 03:13 PM
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Lipripper,

What happened at the meeting with the DNR and conservations groups, guides, etc .on the 27th (I think) at the Newaygo Sportsmen Club this week ?

I heard some things through some other sources but want the inside information.

Sounded like they were going to change the regulations on the Mo from what I heard for trout again. Lots of trout in there but few over 15 inches I heard.

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Old 01-29-2003, 08:14 PM
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I had a looooooong response all written out for you earlier this afternoon and decided it was in the best interest of the forum to rewrite it when I had cooled down a bit more. (Yes, the filter in the brain that decides between CAN and SHOULD does exist) So here goes.

The meeting consisted of a presentation of some of the research that the MDNR did over the course of the last 3 years. Included was some info on angler usage of the resource, some electro shocking data and the latest creel census. The meeting then was opened up to questions for a short while and finally a opportunity for people to voice their opinions.

My unbiased take on it is that the MDNR was looking for a way to cover their butts down the road after they changed the river's designation to that of a "type 4 river" aka a put and take fishery. The change will happen regardless of anyone else's opinions.

My (carfully worded) biased opinion is that it is unfortunate that the MDNR chooses to rely on questionable research and incomplete creel census data to form an opinion of the fishery. The majority of mortality/water tempreture information was formed over the last two summers which, as it turns out, happen to be the warmest two summers in a century or more. I would have liked to have seen them conduct more research and fill in the gaps before they make such a drastic change to an absolutly wonderful fishery.

I also think it is shamfully ironic that our state can hold such a strong history in fishery conservation, being the birthplace of TU, and at the same time make these types of decisions regarding the Muskegon.

As for "Lots of trout in there but few over 15 inches"....All I can do is extend the invitation to SHOW you first hand. Large trout do live in that river. Come on up man. I think you'll be pleasently surprised.

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It is not suprising that they (MDNR) did that. There are more casual fisherman then dedicated ones. It is hard to please everybody.

Better to piss off the minority instead of the majority.

Enjoy what we have, 10 years from now it will be different.
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Old 01-30-2003, 08:36 AM
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Lipripper,

Yes I believe there is a good population of trout over 15 inches in The MO. Now all of the bait slingers will be in there taking their limits of 10 inch trout. You will have more people on the river.

Yes I have learned when you are emotionally charged to refrain from responding immediatedly if you can, like writing an emotional email.

No sections of The MO are fly fishing only, unlike most of the other major blue ribbon trout rivers in Michigan which does not seem right.

I guess I am biased though being bred on fly fishing no kill water since 1966 on the Beaverkill and Willowemuc back east in NYS Catskills.

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I think the Mo' gets too warm in the summer to justify that.

You also need to open the river to all people, they help pay for all the things we enjoy. I also read somewhere that a state can only restrict so many river miles. Once you use it up you get no more.

They have to be picky.
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Old 01-30-2003, 11:49 AM
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"I also read somewhere that a state can only restrict so many river miles. Once you use it up you get no more."

Used to be that way, till they designated more miles last year. They still haven't decided if/how they will use it.

I would agree that the water needs to be opened to all anglers. It brings in a lot of angler $ each year. A designated single barbless hook/no kill section would be a good route though. It is more about fish mortality than elitism.

The average summer temp on the Mo is all over the chart. If you take it in the very top of the water column in the middle of the river you'll get very warm readings. If you take it at the bottom and downstream of a spring you'll get cold readings. Sometimes a difference of 15 degrees or more. They can and do survive Michigan summers. The biggest problem is the Zebra Mussels(spl?). They create a whole new set of issues that need to be dealt with at some point. You also have the issue of Croton Dam and the top water draw. It endless, we could go on and on and on. The bottom line is that the DNR doesn't want to put the $ and resources into the river to manage it for cold/cool water so they are justifying it to the public. So we'll end up with a walleye farm and a put and take coldwater fishery and we'll be saying "remember when...." down the road.

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Old 01-30-2003, 12:18 PM
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Well at least there may be less fisherman on my other favorite rivers up there. More GR area anglers may now stop at The Mo than going further north.

Too bad Croton is not a bottom draw dam. That tail water fishing could be awesome.

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If Croton were a bottom draw imagine how they would treat the resource.

When they put these dams in they never thought about the fish only man. Not so sure what we could change or if it is worth changing, The environment around us gets influenced by every forgien that enters it. Zebra's, lampreys, alewives(if not for them we would be striper fisherman) etc.

The real key to changing or trying to change these things is education. Educate the snaggers kids and the snagger, the take it all home fisherman.

The dnr and mother nature stocks little fish, only we can stock big fish via C&R.
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Wheres Lipripper (John) ?

I bet he is floating the MO today with the ice breaker kit on the front of the DB. Getting his licks in on the steelhead and trout before the reg changes and the bait slingers are in there with there scented cheese balls and power baits taking their limits.

We feel your pain Lipripper, will have to get up there this year for a drift of the MO have not done that one in quite a while.

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fyi

Article on the proposed The MO regulation change issue:

http://www.mlive.com/outdoors/grpres...8236183650.xml

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