GL Rivers need a drink.... - Fly Fishing Forum
Great Lakes Steelhead & Salmon Amazing "Inland ocean" fisheries

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-18-2002, 03:42 PM
dansteelieman's Avatar
dansteelieman dansteelieman is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Michigan(Great Lakes)
Posts: 433
Send a message via AIM to dansteelieman
GL Rivers need a drink....

Some of our Great Lakes tribs need water, and soon. Many of our Great Lakes tribs are at the lowest levels they have been in a while, and many steelhead and lake run browns are staging off the rivermouths awaiting a rain to bring water levels up. On my local river the water was ultra clear, and although it has risen a little, we need a good amount of rain to bring up more fish. Some of the most fabled steelhead waters in my home state(PM, Muskegon, Au Sable, etc.) are so clear you can see down the majority of the deepest holes and runs.

Lets get some rain soon, otherwise fish will only trickle in and the run could be the worse it has been in years.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 11-18-2002, 03:46 PM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
Thats correct, how much snow did you get over there this weekend we got up to 2 inches in Chicago, but it has melted already.

I remember one other fall it was like this and really they should just close the rivers to protect the fish like they do in PNW some times.

I fished two weeks ago in a major SW tributary lowest I have ever seen it and it has not gotten any better yet.

Really they should close the rivers in these types of drought situations, but I have never seen them do it in the great lakes since we hardly ever have these problems.

Pray for rain and tight lines .

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3  
Old 12-11-2002, 10:25 PM
removed_by_request
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Why close them? Not too many fish run up with these low levels, plus most meat fisherman do not like working hard for the fish or braving the cold for that matter.

Only die hards now, the rest are at home watching football or sleeping on the couch.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4  
Old 12-11-2002, 10:38 PM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
I would close them, like they do out west when they are really low, although your right only us die hards are out there now,and the bubbas are home drinking beer watching our sorry chicago sports teams.

Oops with the Bears so bad this year and this warm up we are now in, the beer will not freeze and they could be back with us.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5  
Old 12-12-2002, 05:18 AM
removed_by_request
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Don't count on it, only 30 guys fished the NWUIS tourny Saturday.

Used to be 130+. The Steelhead fire wanes in NW Indiana. This year has been the lowest return year in history.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6  
Old 12-12-2002, 09:23 AM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
Yes but why are the steelhead runs low, Michigan decreased chinook stockings in 1999, 2000. 2001, but neither Michigan nor Indiana have decreased lake michigan steelhead stockings.

I have the numbers from a Michigan DNR creel census officer I met in September. She did not have the answer either other than that fish stayed shallow in the lake this year giving the sport charters a better shot at them and she said they cleaned up on steelhead. Warm and low river temps were also the suspected cause for the low fall runs which continue to date.

So what is the problem, I don't think any one really knows from what I have heard to date in Michigan and Indiana.

PM Out
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7  
Old 12-13-2002, 05:38 AM
removed_by_request
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Indiana no longer puts the same amount of Steel in the Cal and Trail as they used to. More fish are going into the Joe.

I also spoke to DNR people and their theory for low runs equates to scum line fishing. Fish get caught before they hit the river. Most of their creel census numbers come from the river rats not boaters. Plus they never count released fish, only dead ones on a stringer. Sad but true.

To close the Ind. streams because of low water would not fly, since it is a put and take fishery. We (NWIS when I belonged) tried to get them to close them during super hot weather, something they scoffed at.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8  
Old 12-13-2002, 07:37 AM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
This lady who was a Michigan DNR Creel census officer was also going to lake michigan ports and checking the charter boats on lake michigan. I talked to her in late September. Thats where she said they were cleaning up this year on the steelhead since the fish stayed shallow for reasons they could not determine. Plus the scum line fishery which they appear to have now down to a science fishing is another reason for less steelhead in the rivers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9  
Old 12-13-2002, 08:04 AM
removed_by_request
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Ever since they discovered scum line fishing our (lower Lake Mi.) returns have been low. Whereas the PM, Mo' and Man have had good returns. I am talking over a 7-8 year period not just this year. the bigger the picture the more story you get.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10  
Old 12-13-2002, 11:17 AM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
Bet there are some people wondering what the scum line is ? I explained it last year in an earlier thread. If any one is interested do a search for it and the thread should come up. Thanks to DS who I met a couple of times up north fishing the rivers, this was discovered I think about ten years ago.

I hear they go out there and fly cast for them on the surface, not what I would want to do but suppose could be fun with a big skamania in the open lake.

PM Out

Last edited by pmflyfisher; 12-13-2002 at 11:33 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #11  
Old 12-13-2002, 02:06 PM
removed_by_request
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Dick Swan used to take guys out put them in either a float tube or raft and let them have at it. I heard it was incredible.Came close to doing the weatherman got in the way.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #12  
Old 12-13-2002, 04:26 PM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
Yeah that was Dick, I had him going one time on the Big M, he started questioning me at the sports store about where I was steelhead fishing. This was 20 years ago. I had hit a few down from Tippy. I was just starting then and got lucky, he had to satisfy his dude clients with some steelies, sent him to a different spot.

I might be dumb but I am not stupid.:hehe:
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #13  
Old 12-13-2002, 08:02 PM
removed_by_request
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
The old magicians trick of mis-direction. Ever wonder how many times it has been pulled on you?

We've all done it, but it like as not has been done to us.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #14  
Old 12-13-2002, 09:01 PM
West Mich's Avatar
West Mich West Mich is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Muskegon - West Michigan
Posts: 27
The scum line has been a popular place to fish since at least the early/mid 70's. Every Charter Captain of that era knew what it was and when to fish it. It was commonly referred to by that name on VHF radio. I speak from firsthand experience.

Re: Our fall SH run, it's not as bad as some of you think. Keep in mind that the last 3-4 years have had some incredible fall runs - both in fish size and numbers. Everyone agrees we need water.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #15  
Old 12-13-2002, 11:47 PM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
Well if they have been fishing the scum line since the 70s that cannot be a major reason for the lower returns this year. I remember hearing about it in the mid 80s, I started fishing michigan steelhead in 1980.

Time for a trip north I can feel the urge again. Heck 40 degree temps in December some rain and snow melt, and all Hxxx could break lose.

I know exactly the run/pool I will be heading to for a xmas steelhead. It rarely fails me.

Last edited by pmflyfisher; 12-13-2002 at 11:50 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Fly Fishing Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rivers in BC steelzilla Pacific Northwest Sea Run Forum 3 08-11-2004 07:59 PM
GL Rivers? kush Great Lakes Steelhead & Salmon 12 05-15-2003 10:59 AM
American Rivers 2001 Threatened Rivers Map juro Our Environment 5 04-15-2001 09:52 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:35 AM.



Copyright Flyfishingforum.com (All Rights Reserved)