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Old 11-01-2002, 02:36 PM
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Just to make things clear

I do not do work for or have ANY affiliation with washingtonflyfishing.com.

My other site is:

http://waflyfishers.com

Just had to get that off my chest as it seems some members on the board are a little confused.

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Old 11-01-2002, 02:51 PM
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Thanks, Sean, for the clarification. As a former member of that board who left in total disgust some time ago, I appreciate knowing you are not personally tied to it.

Now if that board would grow up or just go away...

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Old 11-02-2002, 10:02 PM
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Sean,

Be glad you don't have anything to do with washingtonflyfishing.com

It's fascinating to be witness to a board literally imploding upon itself.

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Old 11-03-2002, 06:54 PM
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Why is it that you can't bad mouth each other but yet you all bad mouth another site.And to think that I sent an other fly fisher to this site. I should of read this thread first and then thought better of it.

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Old 11-03-2002, 07:22 PM
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Jim-
I do not think the outlash is against the site itself...infact I enjoy reading some of the posts...especially yours.

But many people, myself are included, are appauled at the strong lack of respect for fish and the resource that many of the members exhibit.

Fishing over obvious redds, targeting smolts etc., are all acts that damage the resource yet many of the members over there brag about particapting in these damaging and disgraceful acts!

My apologies if you took offense to the above comments by myself or others on Flytalk as many of us are very very angry!
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Old 11-03-2002, 08:32 PM
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hello, Jim S-

I can appreciate why you might be somewhat disillusioned with some of the reactions expressed on this site regarding the "other" fly fishing site it appears you frequent. Never having visited the site under discussion prior to these posts, all the fuss of course caught my attention and I decided to have a look.

Although I didn't particularly find anything to be as "appauled" over as some, I can see the compulsion to put forth the comments they did.

Case in point--the chest-pounding over a fly-caught fully ripe chinook salmon was a novelty for me, especially seeing the attached photograph of the poor creature spewing eggs over the obviously proud fly fisherman's waders.

And the thread on "Ugliest fish" with attendant photographs of fish in various stages of decomposition served only to underscore the questionable subject matter for a Forum of this type.

However, it was clear to me that these posters were obviously beginners and were fueled more on testosterone and misplaced exuberance then malicious intent and contempt for the resource as some would have it.

I also took note that some of the more mature members of the Forum immediately chastened the posters of those photographs so as to set them straight and remind them of the responsibility they had as stewards of the resource. At the very worst, something constructive was learned and an example was set for these new guys.

It is somewhat amusing to me that the most vitriolic reactions to your website and its content are usually made by fly fishermen whom I suspect were beginners themselves only a very short time ago but who now package themselves as seasoned aficionados of the sport.

That appears to be human nature doesnít it: an ignoramus is a person who doesn't know today what you only just learned yesterday. It is sometimes rather appauling.
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Old 11-03-2002, 09:28 PM
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I, like all of us, understand that there is a learning curve that goes along with one jumping into the sport of flyfishing.

And I, like others, understand that beginers will make ethical makes in many differnt ways i.e. fellow fisherman, the fish, the resource etc. etc. etc.

It is our responsibility to point them in the right direction and let them know why that direction is the proper one.

BUT...many of the members on that board instead of taking the veterns advice or questioning why their advice was the proper route to follow, they fought back!

They made comments such as "We want more knowledge, not controversy!" Knowledge as in where to go and controversy as in other members frowning upon their awful acts.

And other members just reacted in a way to say "Do not tell us what to do!"

If they would have been open to the other's opinions and curious as to why the ethics that were being forced upon them were the right way, then I would not have a problem.

But any right mind, whether they are a beginer or not, knows how protect the enviroment and the resource. It doesnt take a rocket scienitist to figure out that walking over redds and fishing over fish on redds isn't healthy for the resource.

Maybe, I am being a little harsh....many of these folks are my generation and maybe I am just embarrased because of the image they are presenting of my generation. We all aren't like that...
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Old 11-03-2002, 09:31 PM
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I sure hope my last post did not come off as arrogant and pompous...
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Old 11-03-2002, 11:41 PM
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Ryan,

Neither arrogant or pompous; you hit it on point. Perhaps if marketic looked a little deeper he too could see the points you bring up. Just because recent posts have been less volatile doesn't change this leopard's spots. This issue goes back several months.

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Old 11-04-2002, 11:19 AM
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Read my message and I guess it seemed to come out of nowhere. Let me explain.

It was not my intent to bad mouth the site at all. I received a couple of anonymous emails questioning my relationship with the site. To put it mildly they were not very nice emails to say the least. Since the bogus email addresses they were sent from made it impossible to deal with them directly I decided to publicly post to clear the air.

I really do not know a whole lot about the site and did not want my post to cause a bashing war. Sounds like the site is going through some growing pains and hopefully they will make it through it.

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Old 11-04-2002, 11:22 AM
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I understand your reasoning but do you believe every thing that you read. What was said about fishing for smolts was meant as a joke. And as for fishing over spawning fish that person was told the right way and stopped.

I'm trying hard to try to understand how we communicated before the age of computers.

I'm not defending anybody,but what was said Was that I/we were targeting smolts. It seems that nobody can make a joke any more with out some one getting up tight with out knowing all the FACTS

You read a lot of stuff on these sites.Some of it is good and some of it is no good. But you keep reading it If you want to form an opinion from that well and good but why can't you keep it to yourself. Right now I fighting with my self to keep from mouthing off on some stuff but the better part of me is winning.

It seems that everyone want everybody to think like they do. Well it won't work. This is America the land of the free. And we all think and act differently. Some times I think that I'm glad I'm not that person,look what he has to go thru to go fishing. We're not alike so we say things different that others do.

Well I'll get of my soap box now and just stick to things at hand. If you want to bad mouth me go ahead my skin is thick and I don't rile easy. But I do get even.
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Old 11-04-2002, 11:51 AM
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Sean, thoughts from an 'old man...' walk away

from this thread.

"No good deed will go unpunished."
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Old 11-04-2002, 01:02 PM
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The glass is half-full

While I have found some of the recent posts on washingtonflyfishing.com repugnant, I think it unfair to trash the entire site.

Last week I posted in response to some posts and attitudes, which I personally felt, violated the spirit of flyfishing. I received a fair amount of flack over my opinions. However, I also received a number of supportive posts agreeing that what is legal isnít always right and supporting my assertion that fishing with a flyrod is not the same as being a flyfisher.

Chris, the Webmaster over there, yesterday posted that he will no longer tolerate or allow any posts that cross the line into poor sportsmanship or resource abuse. I have no idea if my posts had any bearing on his decision but I am happy that all does not appear to be lost.
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Old 11-04-2002, 02:35 PM
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Sinktip,

I personally believe your post, written with great clarity, was a godsend. The timing couldn't have been better either.

This board in question was my first and favorite for a long time with some minor problems which weren't all that glaring. ...until the VFS bulletin board nearly self-destructed and the, pardon the term, riff-raff, sought a new home. Many went to Westfly and many to WFF.com, where the level of bickering went up overnight. I quickly bailed-out but never gave up hope that the membership would get it back together. Well it kept getting worse until there reached a point that even the enforcement division of WDFW was checking things out, or so said their email to me. Meanwhile, I was "talking" to Chris via email, pointing out that other flyfishers were scrutinizing the "antics and behaviorisms" being shown. Then your post - the final nail, so to speak.

Late last night, Chris sent me an email, for the most part, recognizing the above and expressing his determination to be fair while correcting the web site's problems. I believe he will succeed, especially now that he understands there are others out there to lend support. I am quite pleased that this seems to be turning around.

ws

P.S. ...which is not to say that there weren't other persons and forces at play.

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Old 11-04-2002, 08:34 PM
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"WS,"well said!

Nothing I could add to that ... other than well spoken.
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