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Old 10-02-2002, 10:50 AM
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I'll second Tyler's post. When I started the original thread some weeks ago, I simply wanted people to start thinking about what makes a good flyshop. I would argue that integrity and customer service are the two key ingredients. Some shops out there have both and some don't. Find one that does and support it.

I would also say that in this age of the internet, shops are going to have to go on-line in some capacity. This does not mean that they lose the customer service or the one-on-one time that made them good to begin with. Some months ago, I called up Tyler's favorite shop about a reel I had seen on their site. They were swamped at the time so they asked if they could call me right back. Ten minutes later they do and as we started chatting, Tyler's name came up. Twenty mintes later and we are still talking fishing, trading Tyler tales, discussing rods, etc. And on their dime. I was sold. Between that shop and one of my favorite local ones, I don't have to look elsewhere.

As for the guy in the cowboy hat and red bandana, be nice to him and send him to the cracker bar, I hear that the fishing there is outstanding right now Oh and by the way, the steelhead are really keying in on size 18 elk hair caddis fished on a dead drift. After all, if we don't help these guys out, who will?
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Old 10-02-2002, 11:42 AM
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O C. THANKS ALOT for some new ideas. Things have been a little slow here lately. Maybe I can get some of those eagles and some pink flannel G strings to liven things up a bit. I will have to find someone to model the g strings though as they wouldn't look to good on me. :hehe: On a more serious note, I would like to hear from any fly shop owners or employees out there an answer to this question. If I came to your shop in my wet waders and studded wading boots with a little river mud or sand on them would I be welcomed or thrown out on my ear? Ryan, Eddie, anyone else?
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Old 10-02-2002, 12:41 PM
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Well, since the shops I have worked in have been in Urban settings, like downtown San Francisco, we'd look at you kinda funny, and ask you very nicely to leave... But we would offer you some aluminum foil to block out the alien control waves
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Old 10-02-2002, 01:13 PM
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This is about as funny a thread as we have had for some time. I find myself agreeing with a bit of what everyone has said about fly shops in general and a few in particular.
I have been frequenting "Tackle Shops" thats what they were called fifty years ago, for at most fifty years. I really liked the ones when I was in grade school they had lunch counters and sports betting, magazines, and of course tackle. The most revered spot in all the shops was where the Bamboo Fly Rods were displayed. You could get by with scanning the likes of Argosy and Police Gazzette (So called Girly magazines of there day) but you had better have permission from the man behind the counter before you started massaging any cane.
As to what are the guys behind the counter worth? Well from wage scale I'll leave that up to management, as to what the intrinsic value is I guess pretty high as I still seem to seek out shops in my travels and have actually had a number of good friends either owning or working in Fly Shops.
As to the G strings you might want to check with the Fur Company in Sitka Ak. he has Furry Jock Straps displayed in his window all the time!!!!!!!
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Old 10-02-2002, 03:50 PM
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I have been peeking at this thread for a couple weeks now and here's my couple pennies worth. Maybe it will offer a different perspective.

I go into a lot of flyshops mostly when I'm nearby and curious, in town to fish a local river, or simply looking for the company of people who share the same passion as me. I'm a people person and as such, I frequent those flyshops where there are people I enjoy seeing and talking to about fishing. I go to Countrysport in Portland, Oregon because I have known John Hergenhan, the owner, for about 12 years and still create his advertising (it was a friendship before a business relationship). I walk to Kaufmann's, in downtown Seattle because I fish with Blair (we were on the Snoqualmie together just this morning). I like sharing information with Dave at The Morning Hatch. I drop in to see Mike Duey at The Mad Flyfisher when I'm in the neighborhood. I like shooting the bull with Troy at the Northwest Angler because both he and I love fishing for salmon and searuns with poppers. I fish with Jimmy LeMert at Patricks and besides that, my good friend, Les Johnson works there. I enjoy talking to Nathan at Avid Angler when I'm nearby looking for a good book next door. I designed the logo for Creekside in Issaquah but it seems I'm always roaring down the freeway too early or too late to stop in to see Hugh or Peter.

On the surface, it sounds like a lot of heavy name-dropping, but I did it only to illustrate the reasons why I go into flyshops. Let's face it, everyone sells the same stuff and in the end, it's people who make the difference.

When it comes time to make a major equipment purchase or get advice, I have a lot of friends I can rely on for advice, including the ones I have at the shops and all their help and advice is invaluable.

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Old 10-02-2002, 04:31 PM
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Hey MJC,
The boys from Montana are headed your way for a couple weeks but they are not fishing, they never fish, never. They are going to stop into your shop and say hello. They are ugly guys and some of them even have uglier dogs so watch out. Make em buy something will ya. I want to come up and do the same when I get out to the rattle river. Will be over some afternoon about lunch, want me to bring? Also I'll look in my closet and dig out all those trinkets people with nice intentions but absurd taste sent me for christmas gifts over the years. Most of them came from the Ovis shop or the Rivers Ege in Bozeman so they are tackless classy. If you put them in your shop window to sell will the locals run you out of Peck? I've seen those guys over there in full camo that march around your neighbors yard. Looking forward to stoping in and meeting you. I'll be the guy without the bandana and cowboy hat and who is getting uglier every day in body, mind and soul.
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Old 10-02-2002, 05:25 PM
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Philster, which shop in Frisco and when? Maybe you pissed me off.... maybe I pissed you off.
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Old 10-02-2002, 05:28 PM
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O C, I've already met several of the guys from Montana and they have been very good about buying my products. I never paid much attention to how ugly they were as I'm not exactly sleeping beauty myself. I hope you do stop in for a visit. You don't even need to wear a tie. Your waders and corks are just fine. And you don't have to bring lunch as the Canyon Inn is about 20 seconds away if my wife's on strike that day. Please leave the trinkets at home though as my window is only 2ft square and that is taken up by an Airflo decal. I think I know what you look like as my grandson has your picture with that big steelhead hanging over the desk. I'll be on the lookout for you. Thanks for the warning.
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Old 10-03-2002, 03:11 AM
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I am curious as to what the other instances where?? Not because I dwell on some like this because it is never my intent to piss off a customer or a blow a customer off and if there is something I am doing to cause these feelings, I would like to know so that I could change personality/behavior behind the counter.

Secondly, I apologize about the incident in regards to the leaders. I vaguely remember the conversation but to be honest, I never blow anyone off.

If I need to multi-mask at a certain time such as help multiple customers, answer the phone etc. etc., I will do whatever I can to keep my focus on the customer at hand but if I need to run for a quick period of time, I always excuse myself, let the customer know I will be right back or tell the customer to ask myself or a fellow employee if he has any other questions.

Coming from a fellow that used to work in a shop, you should understand at times, everything can be very hectic and as much as you would love to give every customer your undivided attention, especially those that need it or ask for it, it is not always possible (and at those times, I in someway let the customer know of the circumstance).

Or, if I am getting a vibe that I have answered a customers question and they want me to stop hovering, I will go away. I dont want to the customer to feel as though I am being pushy, they are being watched or shadowed.

Next time you stop in, introduce yourself and I will treat you to a few leaders or a hat or some hooks or something (and not because I want a fishing report out of you).
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Old 10-03-2002, 05:54 AM
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Leland -

Great points made. To support your point, of all the names you listed I know all but three myself, and I'm on a first name basis with them.

Since I live 3000 miles away from these shops, this is priceless when I pop into town. Sometimes I am whizzing by these shops with you at o'dark thirty when I am lucky enough to be in town fishin'
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Old 10-03-2002, 08:17 PM
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Next time you stop in, introduce yourself and I will treat you to a few leaders or a hat or some hooks or something (and not because I want a fishing report out of you).
Negatory on the free Schwag Sparkmeister. About 2 years ago the wife asked "Can't you wear anything that wasn't free and fishing related!" As you get older you learn that most questions are really statements

I just shrugged it off with a "Kids today" eye-rolley thing. I was kidding about the fish reports. I would never drop a serious report in a shop no matter how well they treated me! I'll give you the throwaways, west side lakes and such, but nothing really important

Other instances involved my squwalling 1.5 year old. It may bother you when he does it in the shop, but he's been doing it to me for the entire ride there, and will do it all the way home... :eyecrazy:

Take it easy, do your best, and get out of the business as soon as you can :hehe:
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Old 10-04-2002, 12:50 AM
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Again I apologize...I really dont remember ever being bothered by screaming kids. I love kids, no matter how old, no matter how much they scream.

I would go as far to say I can not wait to have a couple of my own...but I won't. I must first find a young lady that flyfishes that isnt CRAZY!!!...I am not saying all women are crazy, I have just had some runs in with some female fishers that are less then all there.

btw-I dont want to leave the industry...I love helping customers (aside from those you know whats that bitch about shops ). I love bieng around flyfishing everyday, all day...I love the soap operas, I love learning new stuff everday and I hate HOMEWORK...so until finishing my degree in college does not include homework, I will remain a shopee!!
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God I never thought I'd come to the defense of Sparky, so I will just a little bit. Though I don't and won't shop at the shop he works at now and only in an emergency at his last. I must say that Sparky once took the time when his old shop was real busy to show me the equipment that gear fishermen use and how they put it together. It was fun looking at corkies, mootching rigs and flashers and dodgers and every other piece of exotic hardware. It was interesting listening to the Spark explain the philosophical differences between a corky fished with yarn and a corkie fished with eggs behind. Spark knew I wasn't going to buy any of that stuff but knew I wanted a better understanding of why and how other types of fishermen fish for salmon and steelhead so he spent the time explaining and I enjoyed it. Thanks Sparky and be careful what you say and ask for. There is always a possibility that a hard rain will fall. You dodged a hurricane on Wednesday nite you never know when your luck will run out.
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These on going debates about the worth of fly shops and whether or not the are helpful are such a waste of time. Lets take about the sport itself, about times on the river, about friends, about the great sport we all love. Lets stop this pointless ranting about subjects that really have NO bearing on our sport.

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Old 10-04-2002, 02:51 PM
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Well, let's not go into cardiac arrest flyboy!

These ongoing debates give voice to our concerns on where flyfishing is going from the commercial aspect (i.e., profiteering from shop owners, guides, publications, etc.). Most flyfishers are affected to some degree, either first hand as in price gouging, or second hand by the increasing demands on the resource by the increasing numbers of new entrants/practitioners.

As to the particular point of discussion - The simple acknowledgement that most shops price per MSRP on major purchases brings us to the "value added" point of customer service and the hope that shop keepers will understand this makes or breaks their business and, therefore, act accordingly. Sorry, in today's economy, few things can be separated from their "pocket book" connection, especially retail sales!

And one's rant is simply an opinion held dear - usually no more, no less.

There's plenty of room to talk fishin'. Start a thread.

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