Rogue river fishing - Fly Fishing Forum
Pacific Northwest Sea Run Forum No such thing as rainbow trout, only landlocked steelhead

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-03-2002, 01:49 PM
New Spey New Spey is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: North Umpqua
Posts: 31
Send a message via AIM to New Spey
Rogue river fishing

Is there anyone in the forum who has had any success using traditional dry line methods on the Rogue?
Everything I read, says that you have to nymph to catch fish. I know one guide that does use an airflow sinking leader to swing egg flies and nymphs,
but nobody talks about fishing it with standard wets with a dry line. They say that because of the type of river it is the traditional wet fly swing doesn't work well.
I was there yesterday and started with a skater. I had to at least give it a try before resorting to nymphs. I did have one fish raise it's snout for my fly, but it didn't make the grab.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 09-03-2002, 04:25 PM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
Fred Evans is our Rouge master angler, who will respond. From what he has told me it appears that nymphs are the go to flies there. My favorite by the way.

I am not sure if Fred has any dry flies now that I think about it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3  
Old 09-03-2002, 05:04 PM
fredaevans fredaevans is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Rogue River
Posts: 3,856
Well, first the bad news ..

You'll hook more fish consistantly fishing deep, even running a dry line (me/others 95% of the time), 15' leaders and heavily weighted flys.

Now for the good news: Last I heard they Corp. of Eng. will be dropping the river level from 1900 cfs to the 1000, or less, mark come the end'ish of September. Once you get to/below 1000-1200 cfs the river calms down and surface skaters will work very well in many areas of flat water.

Only pre-recommendation I have is 'empty your bladder' first. Watching a fish come up and take a skater can make you loose your water. Also, with skaters, keep a loop of extra line in your fingers (minimum of 6" but a foot is better) and when you see the "take" drop the extra line. You'll increase your hook-ups considerably.
Fred
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4  
Old 09-03-2002, 09:11 PM
fish-head fish-head is offline
Active Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: all S. Oregon streams and lakes
Posts: 100
Send a message via AIM to fish-head
N.S. Yes it can be done I caught 2 On a Improved Govenor Sunday Evening .But I haven't figured this style out yet .If you want to put fish on the bank Nymph . I will be back on your water getting some lesson's real soon .Have they opened up 138 yet ?Are Summer's will take all same stuff that yours will . Don't give up . Casey Park will take off for October Caddis in a couple of weeks . Fred they are supposed to start dropping the 10th & finish the 20th . To 700cfs . Remeber what it was like a couple of winters ago . It might be time to start winter Vacation sooner .Fish-head
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5  
Old 09-03-2002, 09:16 PM
fredaevans fredaevans is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Rogue River
Posts: 3,856
Upping the day they start lowering the flows ..

made my day. Way Cooooool!
fae
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6  
Old 09-04-2002, 11:43 AM
New Spey New Spey is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: North Umpqua
Posts: 31
Send a message via AIM to New Spey
Fish Head,
I read that 138 is open and they are allowing fishing up into the camp water, but they are only allowing it on the road side. But they also said they expect the fire to be contained by Septeber fifth, so it could be opened every where after that.

I know I can put more fish on the bank nymphing deep. Most fish I catch on the Mckenzie are on a dumbell eyed, egg sucking leach.
My goal though, is to rely on it less and less. But I still will break down and nymph when I just have to feel a grab. I just wanted to know if anyone had had success with the traditional wet fly swing and It sounds like it is possible. So I will at least keep trying it when I get to the Rogue. I will probably use nymphs also, just because it is a three hour drive for me to get there and I hate to drive that far and not get any grabs. But then again my nymphing hasn't been much more productive.

Fred are you using an indicator when you nymph, or are you just watching your line? tried an indiator briefly the other day. It was a yarn indicator that they sell at the store. It had a nifty contraption that allowed it to be clipped onto the line. Only trouble is I mannaged to snapp it off on a bad cast. I really suck at casting nymphs if you want to know the truth.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7  
Old 09-04-2002, 12:37 PM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
Fred,

What size nymphs are you fishing in the fall, small I think 6 and 8s ?

I tied up some reeingineered Otis Bugs I want to send you but they are on size 2 hooks. Is that too large? Actually I tied these for king salmon.

Also can't wait to see your response to using Indicators. I think I know the answer.

Hal
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8  
Old 09-04-2002, 03:37 PM
fredaevans fredaevans is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Rogue River
Posts: 3,856
Newspey/Hal on your posts.

Rairly use an indicator, then only when fishing short with a one handed rod. For me, anyway, strike indicators on a spey line really gum up the lines flow when casting. You can use the small ones, but you're out there so far you can't see the bugger anyway. So why bother.

With a dry line the water pressure will normally set the hook for you in all but the bottom portion of the swing. And as most spey rods (traditional's anyway) are so sensitive feeling the take in usually pretty easy. Suspect I'm still missing initial pick-ups so I'm striking late on the bottom sections of the drift.

On fly size, once they get the flows down to 1200, or less, I rarily use a fly over a size 6. More tipically it will be a double of a 6-8 for a trailer or a 8-10 (even a 12 hook) when the water's down in the 700-800 cfs range. The tiny (and sharper than heck hooks) usually set themselves so hook rate goes waaaaay up.
fae

Hal, forgot to add:

A size 2 hook would be a winter application. Major exception would be up on the North Umpqua with it's no weighted fly regulations. There you have to use a larger hook to fish down through the slots. Much of the N. U. is 'slot water' with a few short flat runs between. On the Rogue we've got far more open water water to deal with.
fe

Last edited by fredaevans; 09-04-2002 at 03:40 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9  
Old 09-04-2002, 10:27 PM
fish-head fish-head is offline
Active Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: all S. Oregon streams and lakes
Posts: 100
Send a message via AIM to fish-head
Yes Fred please tell me about your BOBBER set up Just kidding ,New Spey .N.S.do you go to HomeWaters Fly shop up there . Al Cline should be able to lead you into the right direction .Forgot to add it is more than possible find willing fish , and keep the faith on how you are fishing .

Last edited by fish-head; 09-04-2002 at 10:33 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10  
Old 09-04-2002, 11:41 PM
pmflyfisher's Avatar
pmflyfisher pmflyfisher is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Upper Mid West - Great Lakes Tributaries
Posts: 3,165
Ok I will send some of the 2s and some 6s probably. Thats probably my favorite size fly also.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #11  
Old 09-04-2002, 11:55 PM
fredaevans fredaevans is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Rogue River
Posts: 3,856
An " Otis Bug" done up on a #2 hook could be

very cool, or very scary. Actually never done them on that size hook. But know of seveal places, even for summer runs, that it just might be the ticket.

:>)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #12  
Old 09-05-2002, 02:23 PM
New Spey New Spey is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: North Umpqua
Posts: 31
Send a message via AIM to New Spey
Fish Head,
Yes I do go to Home Waters and have Talked to Al.
In fact after talking to him and Reading John Shewey's "Fly Fishing For Summer Steelhead" I started feeling like I needed to stick with the traditonal wet fly swing on a dry line.
Can you guys tell me what the deal is with the half pounders? I read an article that made it sound like they don't move much past Grants Pass, yet My body and I have hooked fish on the upper Rouge that are between 12 and fourteen inches. I talked to somebody up there who said they aren't really half pounders, but just resident steelhead.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Fly Fishing Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rogue River - Unnamed pmflyfisher >> Archive: Salmon & Steelhead Flies 0 03-08-2003 07:18 PM
Rogue River: If you're going to screw it up do it with gusto. fredaevans Pacific Northwest Sea Run Forum 3 04-25-2002 10:20 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:32 AM.



Copyright Flyfishingforum.com (All Rights Reserved)