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Old 07-12-2002, 12:08 PM
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Exclamation Nantucket Sound Wind Farm

I am opposed to this project until I can learn more.

I have sent the following questions to the list of representatives that follows.

1. I am opposed to its location. It is in the middle of the sound where it will have a negative impact on marine travel as well as potential unknown environmental risks. Why can’t it be built 5 miles East of Nantucket?

2. What impact is drilling to support 170 windmills into Horseshoe Shoal going to have on the shoal’s structure and marine life?

3. What is the measurable, guaranteed financial benefit to the citizens of Massachusetts if the wind farm were to be constructed?

4. What voice do the taxpayers have in the approval/ rejection of this project?

5. Will the area the cable used to transport the harnessed energy from the wind farm to shore be a “restricted” zone?

I'll post any responses I get.

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CONTACTS courtesy of The Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound

Federal representatives:

· Senator Edward Kennedy
2400 JFK Building, Boston, MA 02203
Phone: (617) 565 - 3170 Fax: (617) 565-3183
Email: senator@kennedy.senate.gov

· Senator John Kerry
One Bowdoin Square, Tenth Floor, Boston, MA 02114
Phone: (617) 565-8519 Fax: (617) 248-3870
Email: john_kerry@kerry.senate.gov

· Congressman William Delahunt
146 Main Street Hyannis, MA 02601
Phone: (508) 771-0666 Fax: (508) 790-1959
Email: William.Delahunt@mail.house.gov

State representatives:

· Senator Robert O'Leary
Room 413 - E, State House, Boston, MA 02133
(617) 722-1570
(617) 722-1271 Fax
Email: ROleary@senate.state.ma.us


· Rep. Demetrius Atsalis
Room 167, State House, Boston, MA 02133
Phone: (617) 722-2692 Fax: (617) 722-2846
Email: Rep.DemetriusAtsalis@hou.state.ma.us

· Rep. Thomas George
Room 548, State House, Boston, MA 02133
Phone: (617) 722-2489 Fax: (617) 722-2584
Email: Rep.ThomasGeorge@hou.state.ma.us

· Senator Therese Murray
Room 511-C, State House, Boston, MA 02133
Phone: (617) 722-1570 Fax: (617) 722-1271
Email: Tmurray@senate.state.ma.us

· Rep. Eric Turkington
Room 473-F, State House, Boston, MA 02133
Phone: (617) 722-2210 Fax: (617) 722-2239
Email: Rep.EricTurkington@hou.state.ma.us

Local representatives:

· Barnstable Town Council
Town Hall, 367 Main Street, Hyannis, MA 02601
Phone: (508) 862-4602 Fax: (508) 862-4770
Email: council@town.barnstable.ma.us

· Mashpee Board of Selectmen
Mashpee Town Hall, 16 Great Neck Rd., Mashpee, MA 02649
Phone: 508-539-1400
Email: bos@ci.mashpee.ma.us

· Yarmouth Board of Selectmen
Town Hall, 1146 Route 28, South Yarmouth, MA 02664
(Phone: 508) 398-2231 Fax: (508) 398-2365
Email: jdaigneault@yarmouth.ma.us

Federal agencies



· U.S. Department of the Interior,
Secretary Gale Norton
1849 C. Street N.W.
Washington, DC 20240
(202) 208-3100
Email: gale_norton@ios.doi.gov

· U. S. Fish and Wildlife Services
1849 C. Street NW Room 400, Room 400 Arlington Square
Washington D.C. 20240
Phone: (703) 358-2201
Email: contact@fws.gov

· United States Coast Guard
408 Atlantic Ave #5, Boston, MA 02110
Phone: (617) 223-8600 Fax: (617) 223-8523
Email: d1.uscg@worldnet.att.net

State & local agencies

· Mass. Environmental Policy Act
Bob Durand, 251 Causeway Street, 9th Floor, Boston, MA 02114
Phone: (617) 727-9800
Email: bob.durand@state.ma.us

· Army Corps Of Engineers
Colonel Brian E. Osterndorf, 696 Virginia Rd., Concord, MA 01742
Phone: (978) 318-8220
Email: Brian.E.Osterndorf.col@USACE.army.mil

· Mass Coastal Zone Management Agency
Thomas Skinner, Director, 251 Causeway Street, Suite 900
Boston, MA 02114
Phone: (617) 727-9530
Email: thomas.skinner@massmail.state.ma.us

· Massachusetts Audubon Society
Heidi Roddis, Senior Policy Specialist
208 South Great Rd. Lincoln, MA 01773
Phone: (781) 259-9500 x7260 Fax: (781) 259-1089
Email: hroddis@massaudubon.org

· Cape Cod Commission
3225 Main St, P.O. Box 226, Barnstable MA 02630
Phone: (508) 362-3828
Email: frontdesk@capecodcommission.org

· Massachusetts Renewable Energy Trust
Greg Watson, Program Director
75 North Drive, Westborough, MA 01581-3340
Phone: (508) 870-0312
Email: watson@mtpc.org

· Mass Division of Marine Fisheries
Paul Diodati, Director
251 Causeway Street Suite 400, Boston, MA 02114
Phone: (617) 626-1520
Email: marine.fish@state.ma.us

· Energy Facility Siting Board
1 South Station, Boston, MA 02110
Phone: 617-305-3500
Email: peter.ray@state.ma.us
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Old 07-12-2002, 12:43 PM
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Roop --

you certainly have done a lot of background work.

Latest reports I've read indicate that the Army Corps of
Engineers have asked the project proposer to report
back on the possibilities of viable on-shore locations...

I'd say the "jury" hasn't gotten all of the facts yet.

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I agree that the jury is still out.

In my opinion there are way too many unanswered or vaguely answered questions. Now is the time for the public to speak up and ask their questions and be heard.
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Old 07-12-2002, 02:26 PM
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Roop- Here's an idea for the location of the wind farm- use one side of the Canal- its Army Corps land anyway- pu tit in their backyard. If they were high enough they wouldn't impact the fishing along th e ditch, the only impact would be during the building phase. Ron
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Has this been done anywhere else under similar environmental conditions? I'm not sure but I believe I have heard that windfarms while an intriguing idea have not lived up to the hopes pinned on them.
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Old 07-13-2002, 07:47 PM
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Not to sound like a broken record... but IMHO put them on Otis AFB.

In any case I strongly feel this is a cause we all need to pull together on. Roop, excellent job of taking the first step towards being heard on the topic. I will call to get your views on how we should attack the problem.

Anyone with good ideas please post to get the brainstorming going...
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Old 07-14-2002, 01:08 PM
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I think these have been posted in a previous thread but for reference:

The opposition: http://www.saveoursound.org/index.html

The power company: http://www.capewind.org/index.htm

I take the info on each of these web sites with a HUGE grain of salt. Each group spins any & all info to their benefit...

I believe Otis is sited for another project already.

FYI, the last time I checked, CCA hadn't come out with their positoin on this either.

The back room politics are gonna make this a done deal.

Personally I think this similar to putting a wind farm on Mt. Rushmore or in the middle of Yellowstone, it just doesn't seem right.
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Old 07-14-2002, 01:25 PM
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The first mention of it was way back in December when Brian Casey asked us to keep him informed about the project if we had heard anything. Soon afterward, in March, others caught wind and we had a few threads on the topic. At some point I and others dug up some links and put them up there, but to your point those are the two main sites.

My reason for mentioning Otis is not necessarily to target Otis but to offer a suggestion as opposed to just a complaint.

Can you be any more specific about your comment on Otis? Or maybe the question is "can you be any more vague?" TIC

In any case, how 'bout we all see what kind of responsibility we can force on the proponents of this project?
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Old 07-15-2002, 08:23 AM
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My reason for mentioning Otis is not necessarily to target Otis but to offer a suggestion as opposed to just a complaint.

Can you be any more specific about your comment on Otis? Or maybe the question is "can you be any more vague?" TIC

In any case, how 'bout we all see what kind of responsibility we can force on the proponents of this project?
Actually I don't think I could. I know there is some kind of proposal for usage of the area, will dig up what I can.

Another thought that came to me the other night is how are theses generators cooled? Anybody remember the PCB's in the transfomers that were dumped in rivers in Western Mass.?
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In regards to Roop's sugestion that Otis is being considered for another project, I believe that some of our local politicians have been working on a proposal for the home base of the newly formed Federal Homeland Security Commission. I also believe that several sites will be under consideration for this requirement and that Otis will be amoung a long list of possible locations.
Additionally, I like Juro's idea of offering alternate sites for the windfarm. Finding solutions is much more constructive that just complaining about it. The Army Corp of Engineers, in their scoping review has required the developer to do the same, to come up with alternate possible locations and to provide pros and cons to each. This seems like the fox guarding the hen house, so if we were to put other ideas out there for them to consider, we may have been some help. Alternative energy is not something we want to turn our noses up at and a resonable location might be had if we keep on trying and offer what we can.
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Old 07-15-2002, 09:25 PM
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I have totally no say in this issue but,

just as some uninterested input. My family let WTXU build a Wind Generation project on approximately 6 sections of one of our West Texas Game ranches. Since these are basically wild game preserves that provide long term income, having anything that was detrimental to the enviornment was a concern. Aside from the fact West Texas has very little rain fall so the construction scaring lasted a few years. The towers are massive, much bigger up close than they look at a distance. Also they rarely actually run. Ours were set up to provide peak demand where the power sales are more profitable. I dont think I ever saw them all turn and rarely did I see them turn at all. We saw little or no effect on our local game. The only draw back to the entire project was that ENRON had the contract for distribution. After their little accounting problem the entire contract had to be renegotiated. All in all it was a pretty good deal for all the parties involved.

Considering that my family has pretty much made its way in the oil business and that I have a nuclear plant in my back yard, wind generation offers the least overall environmental impact to all those concerned. I know that most of the time people are ok with energy projects as long as they are "not in my back yard". But the one I have in "my own back yard" really worked out fairly well.

I hope you guys get it all worked out to your benefit. I'd hate to see any harm come to a fishery due to building something that has marginal economic payback.

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Old 07-16-2002, 06:20 AM
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John -

It's great that you had an experience with them that was positive. But with due respect, how would you feel if they wanted to put the windmills in the White River? That's not too far off from what they are saying here. A site on a panhandle plain would be just fine, if we only had one in crowded taxaxhusetts to offer.

I could also point out that if they don't run, what was the purpose? Last thing we need out here is to do the project for something that is not used. That's worse than the big dig, at least we might someday drive on that fiasco.

The problem with the project is what it is - an invasion into an important ecosystem and navigational region by the interests of the few at the risk of the interests of the many. It's a bizarre location and reminds me of the thinking that went into the dams built for "clean energy" on the Columbia River.

Windmill power sounds interesting and promising for the future's clean power. Windmills in the middle of Nantucket Sound sounds ludicrous and is driven by the type of wanton decision making that has gotten us into the mess we're in today with all other such "brilliant" energy schemes.

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Juro:

Plain and simple I wouldn't want a project on the White River. I can't blame you guys for not wanting one there either. But, my issue with a project wouldn't be due to the environmental impact. It would be due to the fact that they are damn ugly. It's hard to miss 100 windmills that are as tall as 15 story buildings. Where they built our project there is not another person for 20 miles.

I don't blame you guys for not wanting one of these close to your fishery. But, you'll have to try political pressure or your ideas on alternative sites, because they'll most likely pass their environmental impact study.

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Old 07-16-2002, 07:22 AM
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Yes, you make a valid point. I hope my concern over the matter didn't come across wrong, I want to save any angst to fuel positive actions as you suggest.
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1. Case & John make good points re: we can't turn away to alternative sources of power. I don't think anyone leaning towards the opposition of this project is against an environmentally clean power source.

2. There is one quantifiable environmental impact that I know of.

Does anyone have one of those funky cell phone towers in their town? The ones shaped like a church steeple, a flagpole, some have been shaped like trees from what I remember. In my town we have a HUGE flag pole, with a reqular size flag. In scale it looks like someone shrunk the flag.

These were all done due to the impact on the environment from a visual perspective that cell phone towers would have on the quaint little villages they were going into.

I don't think this is a viable reason to oppose the windmills, just food for thought.

I'm trying to find the Army Corp of Engineers reports.

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