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Old 04-10-2002, 12:08 AM
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waders and vests

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I need to get some waders and a vest. Should I buy neoprene or Gore-tex waders? As for vests, I was looking at the Simm's Guide Vest. I think they call it a mid-length vest. Are shorter vests better? Also, I noticed some vests have a rod holder and then a velcro loop up on the chest to hold the upper part of the rod so you can go hands free, but the Simms vest doesn't have the velcro loop on the chest. Am I right in assuming that most people put their rod in the rod holder and hold the upper part in the crook of their arm if necessary because the velcro loop is too much of a hassle?

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Old 04-10-2002, 01:08 AM
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2 cents worth here. :>)

Don't know where you fish, and this does make a heck of a difference. But, unless your really in a cold weather area, stick to a breathable wader. You can "layer" the heck out inside, strip some off as it gets warmer, etc. Gortex, and I do love the product, is $ overkill. Many of the 'other brand breathable' chest high waders are just as servicable, and a heck of a lot less expensive.

I've been using "xxxx" breathable waders, which still sell for $129 to $150 for the past several years. Only problem with 'leaks' has been the result of a blown spey cast e.g. the hook point where I'd prefer it didn't go. Nuts, easy to repair, a pit to find with 'breathable materials'

If you're really in a cold area you'll probably find you need a set of 5mm neo's and a set a breathables.
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Old 04-10-2002, 07:19 AM
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Re: waders and vests

There are some things you can get answers for on line, some things you can't, and others you have to answer for yourself. I'm sure we'll always have comments if there is enough information to work with...

Both neo and breathables are good waders, depends on where you fish and when. Need more info, it would be really helpful if you included the parameters when you ask a question.

!Perhaps an equally big question is "bootfoot or stockingfoot?".

Whether a vest length is right or not depends on whether you wade deep or not, and whether you use it when not wearing waders - and something like a rod holder loop is totally up to you.


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Hi,

I need to get some waders and a vest. Should I buy neoprene or Gore-tex waders? As for vests, I was looking at the Simm's Guide Vest. I think they call it a mid-length vest. Are shorter vests beter? Also, I noticed some vests have a rod holder and then a velcro loop up on the chest to hold the upper part of the rod so you can go hands free, but the Simms vest doesn't have the velcro loop on the chest. Am I right in assuming that most people put their rod in the rod holder and hold the upper part in the crook of their arm if necessary because the velcro loop is too much of a hassle?
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Old 04-13-2002, 04:40 PM
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Hi,

I fish in the Western US. I would not consider bootfit waders--the boots are too cheap and I have size 14 feet. I have pretty much decided to go with a stocking foot breathable wader unless I get different advice. Simms claims Gore-Tex waders are the only waders that really breathe. I liked their Gore-Tex waders, but no gravel guards at those prices?

I tried on some Simms Freestone boots and they felt great, but I read some reviews that said after a couple of years the synthetic leather upper starts cracking. Simms makes some of their boots with 5.10 dot pattern sticky rubber and spikes. Has anyone tried those soles before?

Simms and Orvis(and probably others) also make a lightweight boot with a multicolored synthetic upper. Can anyone recommend those?
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Old 04-14-2002, 01:32 AM
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Newbie, if money is no object get the Simms, if you're in my

world just get the Dan Bailies. Less than 1/2 the price of Simms, just as good, and with the difference in price you've got 1/3-1/2 half of the price of that 'other rod' you want to buy. With a good marketing campaign I could convience you that waders need to be made of stainless steel.

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Old 04-14-2002, 12:38 PM
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I fish in the Western part of the US also and I use a pair of light weight waders. Not breathable just light weight. At the time I got them the other kind were at too high of cost. That was about 6 years ago and now I think that I'm ready to get some of the breathable kind.

By reading all of these posts I made up my mind to get some but not the high priced kind. I'll just go down to my local cut rate sporting goods store and get some. Jim
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Old 04-14-2002, 02:15 PM
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old man,

One thing I've learned in other sports, if it isn't made with Gore-Tex, it doesn't really breathe well, so save your money and stick with what you have.
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Old 04-14-2002, 07:25 PM
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Hodgeman has some that stretch And are breathable. Thats what I need. I need that extra to get over my belly. I could lose some weight but then I wouldn't have any fun when I went fishing.

My light weight waders are ok but in the heat of Eastern Washington in the summer it gets just a little hot. Jim
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Old 04-14-2002, 07:37 PM
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Newbiefish I think it would pay to look at something other than the Simms as breathables are getting better and better every year.

I have owned both redingtons and orvis silver labels which are not goretex and work great. No problems with either of them in the rivers or puget sound. Never had a problem with them not breathing. Do not get me wrong, simms are really nice but from some people I respect as fisherman say dan baileys are the way to go and I will probably get those next.

Especially seeing your others posts about getting a cheaper rod and then spending 400 bucks on waders. Does not make sense in my book. Get some mid-priced waders with a lifetime warranty like the baileys and then get yourself a nice rod,reel,and line.

You will be much happier in the long run because once you get into the sport you will be wanting a better rod. Everyone always does.

Saying you are fishing the western US still leaves a lot of possibilities. What type of fishing? Saltwater,freshwater,lakes, etc. Also what type of fish? These all weigh on what type of vest you would want as well as waders and boots. Fore instance I wear heavy boots for wading in rivers cause I like the extra support when wading in fast water. For the beaches I use patagonia marlwalkers as I do not need the felt for traction and the lighter boot is nice for all the walking I do in them.

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Old 04-14-2002, 10:56 PM
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Hi,

I'll probably be doing mostly trout fishing in streams and rivers. What retailers carry Dan Baileys? I tried on some Orvis breathable waders($139) and the Simms Lightweight Breathable ($200) but they don't have built in gravel guards. The Patagonia SST ($375) breathables had the built in gravel guards, but I didn't like their suspender system: when you roll the waders down the suspenders flop off your shoulders. And, with all of them, they felt tight in the crotch. I tried on long sizes and loosened the suspenders all the way, but I still didn't feel totally comfortable.

I'm considering the Simms Guide Vest($149) in the dark green color, an Orvis super lightweight breathable stretchy mesh material vest with a million pockets, green color($139) , and was considering the Simms Vertical Master vest. Is it convenient to have a large fly box slide in vertically rather than horizontally?

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Old 04-15-2002, 12:40 AM
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2 cents worth after a couple of large single malts ... :>)

A vest is just a 'thing' to carry your things (think George Carlins monolog on "stuff"). Your waders keep you dry and comfortable, the vest is to carry your on river junk. And the bigger the vest the more "stuff" you'll carry around with you. Put my drift gear vest on a scale once and it hit 16 pounds with the lead, slinkies, et. al.

Silly idea: leave most of that suff in the car; come back and 'reload' if you have to. The waders go for the $129'ish Dan B's; work well, layer as needed.

The old bit of 'he who has the most toys when he dies wins' is an intersting thought ... but just that.

Again, just my 2 cents worth.
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Old 04-15-2002, 07:40 AM
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In addition to other's great replies:

a) veritical is better for big fly boxes like steelhead boxes

b) biggest factor is comfort against the neckline and shoulders IMHO

c) I prefer pockets that can be left part open and not lose stuff

d) I don't like pockets that rub on the arms when casting

e) light weight is important for (b)

f) buy big if you wear outside (I wear over fleece but under jacket)

g) I prefer chest packs when rowing

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Old 04-17-2002, 01:37 AM
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Hi,

I was all set to buy a Simms Guide Vest, but then I put some fly boxes in the pockets and they hit my elbow when I made a casting motion. That made me realize the benefits of vertical pockets or something like a chest pack. The Simms Vertical Vest seemed like a good solution. I also examined a Williams and Joseph "Coastal" chest pack, and it seemed really nice. It sort of had two built in flyboxes on each shoulder strap. On the outside of each compartment were several pockets and zingers. The lid on each compartment zipped open and folded down making a little table to work on. The table had foam for hooking flys on, and there were small pockets inside for tippet material. The back of the chest pack was a pack that was large enough for rain gear or food and was set up for a hydration bladder. On the outside of the pack, there were cords for lashing down additional gear. Which way should I go? Vertical pockets or a chest pack?
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Old 04-17-2002, 02:54 AM
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Whichever vest you choose, it won't have every possible good feature, but you can add some of them yourself. (See previous thread.)
A vest that fits perfectly in the store will be too tight when you fill it with boxes and other stuff.
Rod-holding attachments aren't necessary; just stuff your rod and reel about two feet down inside your waders.
Shorty vests are useful if you're into kamikaze wading, a.k.a. pre-swimming. Regular-length vests work fine as you get older and craftier, and/or if you get into spey fishing. (As spey guru Mike Maxwell said, if you're wading more than knee-deep, you should ask yourself why.)
When fishing from a boat or float tube, it's a pleasure to fish without a vest, with gear in the tube's pockets or a boat bag.
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Old 04-17-2002, 09:13 AM
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Let me toss in another option here that hasn't been discussed yet, the fanny pack. The advantages are good carrying capacity with no encumberance of the arms, cool in the heat of summer, weight is carried on the hips rather than shoulders. The main disadvantage, for me at least, is that it sits low and gets wet if you go kamikaze wading. It also doesn't work with a stripping basket.
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