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Old 01-10-2002, 02:15 PM
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Does the Rogue really need a 18ft rod

Apart from boosting ones ego is a 18foot rod really necessary :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

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Old 01-10-2002, 04:24 PM
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Well, not really .... but too much money 'socked away' for purchase of 'boy's toys.'

I've got to be careful of my spending habits. If I don't keep up the annual total Joan will go into Culture Shock. Now we would not want that to happen to a 56 year old redhead would we???

So, there are "presidents" to maintain here that, if violated, could get my boy-toy budget slashed.
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Old 01-10-2002, 06:48 PM
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How many pieces to break down to traveling size? :hehe:
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Old 01-10-2002, 07:26 PM
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Yes I have told Fred it is hard for me to imagine an 18 foot fly rod.

But a man has to do what a man has to do !!

I would have to break it down walking between some sections of the rivers up in Michigan. Would never be able to navigate some of those fishermans trails.

I could give up my Ballys Fitness Club membership if I took up casting that pound plus of rod regularly :hehe: :hehe:
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Does any river need a 18' rod?

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Old 01-10-2002, 10:41 PM
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My gut sense is, the bigger (wider) the river then the more water you can effectively cover with a longer rod. It's not about casting distance so much as what happens after, during the drift. After all, on a big river with plenty of room behind, you can make a 100ft cast with a 9ft rod but do you get as much control over the cast as with, say a 12ft or 15ft?

Maybe someone can figure out the math and calculate how much additional water/fishing time per additional 12 inches of rod given a 90 ft cast?

Why not a 20ft rod if the river is big enough and you have the biceps to handle it - how about it Fred?
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Old 01-10-2002, 10:49 PM
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rods 18

Sorry you guys, but my wife was really getting excited until she finally read we were talking about fly poles and not rods.....
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This past fall I was fishing with a friend on the Thompson and he broke out his 17ft rod and was easily fishing 150-160ft but the amazing thing was how well he could control his drift at these incredible distances. He was in control of his fly at all times and that is what catches fish.
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Old 01-10-2002, 11:15 PM
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Well, a bit of 'yes' to alot of the above

A longer rod does give you an incredible amount of line control at large distances. But most 15 footers will do what you need .... unless you're fishing very wide water and 'have to reach out and touch somebody.'

Will this be 'over-kill' for most situations, you bet. But for specific applications this will be the 'go-to' rod.
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Old 01-12-2002, 10:58 AM
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My target range for a light spey rod is 13 to 15 feet in either a 7/8
or 8/9 weight .

Sound reasonable ?

I think the 7/8 weight is what I need though due to the smaller rivers and light tippets (4 to 6lbs) fished here in the mid west.

Comments please, still in R+D mode on this.

(I don't make rash decisions on purchases unless I absolutely have to. Did that on one major thing in my life, MY WIFE. Married her six months after meeting her, we hardly new each other, this year is our 25th anniversay and we have 3 boys. )
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Old 01-15-2002, 12:41 AM
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Fred,

I bought a pair of 18' B&W "Experts" from a guy who walked into the Michael and Young Fly shop looking to sell a bunch of rods! I paid $100 each - CANADIAN! That is a screaming deal in fact Dave, the co-owner of M&Y still hasn't forgiven me for scooping him. Now these were brand new rods - both with the plastic sleeves still on the cork, but they were definitely older generation rods with fairly thin walled construction - that is why I bought the pair - insurance!

I used these rods everywhere and yes Fred, you will have to answer the "how long is that rod" question many times. And yes, you can cast prodigious distances and fish the fly properly way out there. While I still fish it occasionally, it is becoming a rarer occurrence each season. There are a number of reasons for this. The first is that I broke one 2 seasons ago (when I had Juro up on the Thompson) and now I am a bit paranoid about breaking the other!

As well, I have a significant (extravagant?) number of other rods to fish and I don't feel the macho need to impress with the size of my rod (though it was fun). However, I think the most important reason I've cut back is the effort required to fish it on a regular basis. I fished this rod 3-4 days every week on the Thompson for 2 months a season over a 3 year period and though I am big strong athletic guy, the rod eventually wore me out. Now it wasn't that I got tired each day or even each trip, it was the cumulative effect. Eventually, it was my wrists and finally the dreaded "Tennis Elbow". Today I sport wrist braces and a elbow brace for ALL my casting. As others have asked, is it necessary, of course it is not, I catch just as many fish on the Thompson with my 10151 and my 10160 (I can even come close to matching the 18's distance with the 10160). Lots of days I use a 14' Loop or my trusty 9140-3 and do just fine. Yet, on a busy November day I look at all the people and my mind goes for the big gun... in fact I'm still considering a certain 20' Hardy that was offered to me - I think it comes with its own brace system!

Fred, have fun with your new toy - but be careful, it is not to be trifled with.
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Fred,

This sounds dangerous, please be careful. Sounds like when I bought the longer down hill skies to get more speed.

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Old 01-15-2002, 06:25 AM
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Kush: 100% agree this is not a 'every day' rod

Ex-pat Canadian, or no, a lumber jack I'm not. As much as this (and you did get quite a deal and a half. Oh, question: was the fellow who sold the rods a longshoreman? Did the rods - for that price - just happen to fall out of a cargo container??) Hell that was so long I forgot the question.

Ah well, as impressive as this rod is (remembering that I've yet to swing it as I write this) not a prayer I could use this rod for much more than an hour or two without having to shift to a lighter rod. This is really a 'site specific' rod, not one for general use.

But to your (rod-s). What was you lining for these beasties?
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Old 01-15-2002, 08:14 PM
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Fred,

Finding the right line was a real chore. Getting something with a long enough belly was the trick. To shorten the long story it was Derek Brown who took the reel off his Sage 10160 with his SpeyDriver that finally loaded the big rod properly. Derek gave Dana the specs and he built me one and voila - the beast was armed. The great thing is that now that I'm not using the 18' very often is that the line is also a perfect match for my 10160 as well.
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Old 01-15-2002, 09:30 PM
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Amazing how you can find "reasons" to be out of the office ...

Two shots with the rod today loaded with the 10-11 RIO Acltr tri tip. Skip a hinged line with this puppy. Timing not exactly on and the cast will fold up at 45 feet. Slow the timing down and I was running the head and 5 or 6 coils of line with the rod (plus 15-17
'ish feet of leader and two wted tube flys). Get the timing down and consistently hit 33- 38 yards of line off the rod (math is about 100 to 114 feet). Thing I noticed (second excuse to be out of the office) was the close nature of the first gathering guide, seems far too close to shoot line. Will rig rod passing this one up and see how it goes; good and I'll have the loop removed and re-glazed.

A cannon with this line; looking forward to trying the WC 10-11-12.
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