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Classic Atlantic Salmon No pursuit rivals salmon rivers, flies & legacy

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Old 11-25-2001, 02:40 PM
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Let's hope the hearing down in the other Vancouver results in the voice of reason being heard. I'm preparing my testimony, it would be great if you could write in too...

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Old 11-26-2001, 11:51 PM
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Comparisons

Yeah, I can't resist wading in on this one.

I'm lucky enough to have caught both Atlantic salmon and various Pacific salmon and steelhead on their home riffles. Each species is to be appreciated for its own merits and eccentricities.

I think the Atlantic salmon specialist looking to broaden his or her angling horizons would appreciate summer run steelhead most. Heading up to British Columbia and fishing the Skeena tributaries or the Thompson in fall with floating lines and skating flies would give the Atlantic salmon angler the closest approximation of the Eastern Canada experience. Actually, it would probably be a lot better than Eastern Canada, given the dismal runs that have returned to the Maritimes and Quebec in recent years.

That said, don't overlook Coho (silver) salmon. Over the years, and I say this as an ordained priest in Steelheadanity, I've come to appreciate Coho more and more. Particulary the Alaska strains of this magnificent beast. They will willingly take on the surface; they run; they jump (sky high); and are beautiful to behold and magnificent on the broiler. Their size compares favorably with Atlantic salmon (how many Atlantic salmon over twenty pounds are caught on public waters?), and they give the visual thrill that only a leaping fish can give.

If you get a chance, find an area that offers Cohos on the surface and you'll thoroughly enjoy your introduction to Pacific salmon and perhaps whet your appetite for Grail fish (O. mykis, aka steelhead),

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Well, I've fished all over the world. I've caught Atlantics and all species of North American Salmon (there are a couple Asian Pacific Salmon Ii've never seen, let alone have caught).

I like the fight of the Atlantics. I haven't caught enough, or big enough, to really give you a good "feel" for their fight. But what I've played I can truly say I lliked.

Now, Paciific salmonoids are my sppciialty. Grew up fishing them since I was a preschooler. I've caught more then I can recall. I was gratious enough to fish in the last of the haydays of the mid 70's for large salmon and steelhead that you would catch on a regular basis. Just say it this way, the first steelhead I ever caught was on Xmas day. She was aa 19 lb hen. Followed her up with a 24lb buck. All at the age of 7. Only got better. To rate these fish is asJuro said I do believe, you must rate them iin their own merit. The raw power of a chrome bright 50+lb King fresh into the river with sealice is incredible. I've had King's easily over the 60 lb range spool me and snip my line. I've had 10 wt rods and heavy plug rods bend over like noodle rods with a ticked off buck on tehother end. I've caught silvers (coho) in the 20lb range. The aerials and the quick runs to you kep youu oon your toes. I've had many times thnking I'd lost my fish, only to reel up an find the "lost" fish starting spooling me again. Didn't take me long to learn to reel like crazy if th line went slack on a silver. Sockeyes and Pinks never thrilled me. They wer fun, buut not my style. Steelhead, both winter and summeruns, are ppure finese. A mixture of power style. I've caught many fish iin the 20+ range from th holy grails of the PNW (Hoh and Sol Duc) and many other small streams on the Oly Pen that shouldn't hold smal cutts, let alone big Steelies. But I aved my favorite for last. Personaly, it's my favorite fish to catch. Chums (dog) salmon are my lb for lb favorite fish to catch. In comparison, Ii've caught 20lb silvers, kings, steelhead, and chums. Chums by far ouutweigh them all. They have brute strength of a king, the acrobatics of a silver, and the runs of a steelhead. Plus they have what I honestly say is the highest survival instinct of them all. When most fiss will hole up and wait for the water to rise, most chum will run up a low slot and move up to next hole. I've only broke a coouple rods in my life, and most were broke on a chum. I've snapped 7 and 9 weights on chum. I just feel they are my favorite, thouugh they are the ugliest to some.

Now, onto people giving up their rights to keep fish. It's a mindset. I know some of you haave fished for years, but not sure how many have fished here in tehPNW back in th 70's and before. Fishing was beyond description. Hooking 20+ steelhead in a day was not unheard of. Ii've seen may days on th Puyallup when it was in it's haydays and brought home 2 nice WILD steelhead for dinner. Ii only liived a few blocks fromm the Puyallup growing up. So it was easy to go fishiing on a regular basis. Ppeople are creatues of habit. Growing uup for most of us in the 60's/70s/and 80's fishing was a way of life and also a way to help put food on the table. There wasn't the public ouutcries for wild fish. If there were i was overloked. You sppend most of your life keeping what you caught, it's very hard to just be told "natives release please". Not saying that it's baad to C and R native fish, but trying to give you the mindset. My first 2 steelhead caught on Dec 25, 1976 were both wild. The majority I caught in the next 10 years were wild too. Most of the fisherman I learned from were old when Ii started back in thee70's. Most haad fished since the 20's. Some were still alive when the first restrictions started cooming out. Most disregarded the rules. Their catch rates never changed, so they weren't going to release a fiine specimen of a fish. Ii myself at he time would've had a hard time releasing a 20+lb steelhead back then myself. I was younger and thought the world wouuld never change. I've grown up, and know that if I want my kids to see the fishing I had a chance to experience that things must change. I will say again, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. In the grand scheme of thins, this new style of C & R is relatively new in the PNW. Yes I know tha there have been Pioneers in the Northern WA rivers who've asked for these type of regs, but for the most part WA state has been a C & K fishery. Slowly people will change. But first, to really get an agreemeent to happen, you ned to UNIFY ALL FISHERMEN/WOMEN!!! There are too many classes that fight amongst each other. You have elitest fly fiisherman, gear fishermen, trollers, and all other sorts. Each tries to segregate th others. Mmost sportsman initiatives haave failed iin this sstate because we can't agree. That has got to change before we can ever get something done in this state.

Ok, Ii'm don preaching.
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