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Old 06-20-2001, 04:49 PM
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The Deer Creek natives are starting to show.
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Old 06-20-2001, 11:07 PM
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Yeah, you'd better SHHHHH!!

I fished up there Sunday evening and did not touch a fish nor did I see any roll.

I usually start seeing them in good numbers the last week of June with the 4th of July being the BIG push. My first ever Deer Creek fish came on a June day 3 years ago.
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Old 06-21-2001, 08:38 AM
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Please do not ever stop mentioning Deer Creek natives, or any creek natives!

I've prowled in the shadows of cedars on the banks of the Stilliguamish many times and hobbled over the sun-washed moraine stones that the river slices through often during my tenure in the PNW. I can relate to the places and the smells and scenes... but even if I could not, just think about it... in 2001, it is completely and utterly redeeming to hear talk of a population of native summer steelhead that has been wiggling from the gravel of a certain creek for millenia, and still does today.

Along the way from then to now were names like Haig-Brown, Johnson, McLeod, Wahl, Drain, Knudsen, Bradner, Zane Grey, all the way up to our freind Mike Kinney today, who have probably uttered the same words you did...

"shhhhhhhhhhhhh"
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Old 06-27-2001, 02:56 AM
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Please don't. I dont want to come across is selfish but I have never seen so many anglers on the Stilly for late June and I have been fishing it since I was about 12...so what is that, 12 years??

Anyways it would benefit us ALL to keep this all very very qiuet.
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Old 06-27-2001, 09:52 AM
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I won’t tell a soul. This is not a secret. The Deer Creek steelhead run is one of the most famous in this part of Washington. Funny you say that the river is crowded. I fished a well known run last night and seen one other fisherman early. Then I had this run all to myself for the evening. Well, one eagle was keeping an eye on me. I caught two beautiful Deer Creek natives. I watch as the fish moved into the run. After spotting the first roll I knew it was a matter of time. Five minutes later the first fish hit early in the swing. I landed it and moved up in the run. A few casts later the second fish took. That was it. I fished for another 45 minutes and got nothing. A great evening on a legendary river, fishing for legendary fish. A night I will remember for a long time.

Let the wild ones go…………………………………
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Glad to hear you got some fish. I know that the Deer Creek steelhead are a famous run but its a amazing how few people realize the strength of this run and how on a given July evening the river is stuffed with fish and it takes little effort to hook a couple fish.
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Old 06-27-2001, 01:04 PM
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Ahhhhh but aren't we forgetting boyz...

That the Deer Creek Run use to be the strongest, what was it 5,000 strong before the devastating mud slide due to careless loggers.

The WDFW claims that counts are at 2,000????

But alas Mike Kinney who lives and breathes the Stilly says it's at 500???

Now who's right?
Are they still endangered and should we be targeting endangered fish?

What if you accidentally killed one?

Wouldn't you feel bad????
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Old 06-27-2001, 01:08 PM
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Old 06-27-2001, 01:13 PM
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Hey Sinktip, if you fish the mouth of Deer Creek you can meet some really great fly fishermen.

Don't ya know.
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Old 06-28-2001, 12:16 AM
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Way to go Kerry, I wish I could have been there with you
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Old 06-28-2001, 03:56 AM
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Duggan-
Speaking of the Stilly we need to plan out trip. I am going to float it for the first time this year probally next week-the Boss in Sitka so my days off are very limited right now-and see what the river is looking like and see how the good holding water has changed, if at all.

How is the middle of July for ya, like the second week?

...and maybe this one can be a little more peaceful.
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Old 06-28-2001, 04:15 AM
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Angie (06-27-2001 01:04 p.m.):
Ahhhhh but aren't we forgetting boyz...

That the Deer Creek Run use to be the strongest, what was it 5,000 strong before the devastating mud slide due to careless loggers.

The WDFW claims that counts are at 2,000????

But alas Mike Kinney who lives and breathes the Stilly says it's at 500???

Now who's right?
Are they still endangered and should we be targeting endangered fish?

What if you accidentally killed one?

Wouldn't you feel bad????
The historical run size of the Deer Creek steelhead is estimated at 2,000 returning adults a summer (DeShazo 74, Kreamer 99). In fact the maximum sustainable harvest for the Deer Creek native summer runs is believed to be at about 910 (Kreamer 99). The MSH was developed by the infamous Bob Gibbons and published with other authors in 1985 in the publication "Methodology for determaining MSH steelhead spawning escapements." In short this means that atleast 910 adults are required to return to sustain the run and every fish over that 910 may be harvested. (I DO NOT AGREE WITH GIBBONS) The current level of the run is estimated between 500-1000 adults although some sampling shows that the population may be in fact higher (Kreamer 99).

I have nothing against Mike Kinney, in fact, I admire his skills and flyfisherman and especially as a tier. BUT, Mike does not fly over Deer Creek in the summer and Mike does not count adults and he also does not have the capabilities to estimate the size of the run as accurate as science can.

So will I be fishing for Deer Creek steelhead?? You betcha!! But I will also fight the fish as fast as I can, never stepping below a #7 and if I believe the water becomes too warm, I start seeing morts, or if the emergency closure is in place this year I will stop fishing the Stilly. (Not because I park myself at Deer Creek but because if fish are dying due to being caught at the mouth of Deer Creek, they may also suffer at the many great holes below.

And I would feel bad if I killed one but wouldnt you feel bad if you found out a Skagit-Sauk native you caught this yeaer could not make it??...especially in a year where the river did not reach its escapement goal!?!!?

DeShazo, J. J. 1974. Deer Creek study. Washington Department of Game. Olympia WA. 25 p.

Gibbons, R. G., P. K. Hahn, and T. H. Johnson. 1985. Methodology for determining MSH
steelhead spawning escapement requirements. Washington Department of Game, Olympia, WA. 39 p.

Kreamer, C. R. Management Brief: 1999 Update of on the Status of the Deer Creek Steelhead. Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife, Olympia, Wa. pp 1-7
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Old 06-28-2001, 08:03 AM
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I'd like to chime in an albeit unscientific note to the great info that has been provided here by Ryan and others:

Who cares more for the Deer Creek native than the conscientious angler? Not the environmentalist, not the timber executive, not the government, not the native american (ironically). NO ONE.

We are satisfied with the knowledge that they exist and hopefully thrive, and yes we do celebrate by proving this to ourselves once in a while with a fly.

It's through this interaction that we develop such a deep bond - the strongest bond to the fish of any in the human race.

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Old 06-28-2001, 09:44 AM
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I only have one thing to say about the studies quoted. The WDFW has an abysmal record when it comes to managing fish. What ever studies they have been involved with I am very suspect of. As far as Kreamer goes. Kreamer would say anything and do anything to save his own ass. He will twist numbers to make himself look good. Period. Has anyone wondered why the Skagit was re-opened below the bridge in Mt. Vernon earlier than the rest of the river this year? It was because Kreamer likes to fish cutts in that part of the river during late spring. For no other reason. It had nothing to do with science. The WDFW has no creditability with me.
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