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Old 04-12-2011, 03:02 PM
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Clouser Eye Size

Guys can you help please. I am not sure which size eyes I should be using. But I am aware that the amount of dressings has a bearing.

My go to hook is a Timeco 811S in a size 1/0. What size Eye for medium dressing would be about right. I use Spirit River Real Eyes. Would you go down a size for sparsely dressed and up for heavily dressed.

Same question for a size 2 same pattern hook.

I tye my Clousers in both Bucktail and Synthetics.

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Old 04-12-2011, 03:12 PM
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I have always used the 7/32 on those sizes and they turn the fly over pretty well provided it's not overdressed. On the 2's you could use the next size down.

You might want to check out Pseudo Eyes which eliminate the need for stickers.
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Old 04-12-2011, 03:31 PM
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Thanks Dave. I must admit to having trouble casting those 7/32 size eyes.

The Real Eyes have eyes built into them already. Black pupil with either silver or yellow surround.

Mike
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:54 PM
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Mike this is what I can tell you:
7/32 Black Lead Eye = 22 grains
3/16 Black Lead Eye = 16 grains
Med Size White/black lead eye = 16 grains
Sml Size White/black lead eye = 11 grains
5/32 Nickel Eye = 5 grains

These are all from my grain weight scale and remeasured on reloading powder scale in multiples of 10 eyes.

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Old 04-13-2011, 04:49 PM
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Thanks Pete useful background info.

I am also interested in what works for others size wise in Clouser eyes in terms of the Spirit River eyes which are very popular. I tend to use the 5/32 and max out on the 3/16. The 7/32 is a real pig to cast any distance at all.

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Old 04-14-2011, 01:00 PM
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With all due respect -

Weighted eyes do not turn over a fly, final tension on the leader does. It can affect the turnover in either positive or negative ways however. For instance recoil can lose tension; conversely mass can prevent turnover of the leader.

Proper balance of dressing dampens recoil thus solving half the problem.

However if the leader can not overcome the mass it will fail to turnover.

Your casting stroke must accommodate the slower line speed (dampened weight) while keeping tension intact.

My suspicion without looking at the setup (casting stroke->line->leader->fly design) is that the dressing is not balanced with the eye weight and/or the leader is failing to turn the mass of the fly over because it's too light. Another consideration is a long forward taper on the fly line you're using, or an discontinuity in butt / taper / tippet tapering.

I can cast most of a fly line with an 8wt using 7/32 eyes... this is not a comment about "casting prowess" but about balancing leader, dressing and line speed.

I can fail such a cast by making a single change in the leader or casting stroke while the fly remains unchanged.
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Old 04-14-2011, 01:27 PM
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Juro,
I think he's talking about making the hook ride point up....?
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Hard to tell... lots about casting impact

but FWIW...
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:58 AM
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I use the plated brass spirit river eyes (with the eyes in place) in the 5/32 size for most of my clousers. Deep Eels on 1/0 811s and bucktails on a 1/0 ec413. Most of my fishing is shallow. Reverend Juro's comments on material balance, recoil, casting stroke and leader construction are appropo to my thinking. The last couple of years I've been pretty casual about these details and my casting, flyturnover etc. has deteriorated. This years fishing resolution is to pay more attention to these details.
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Old 04-15-2011, 01:23 PM
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Juro and Fred.

Ok I guess I could have given a little more info. I am aware of the need to balance the amount of fly dressing to the size/weight of the Eyes. I was asking for a starting point in requesting what others are currently doing as regards the size of the eyes.
I do appreciate that a heavy eye and a sparse dressing is likely to lead to the fly kicking at the end of both the forward and backcasts. I am working on my casting stroke to make it more eliptical. Looks like I need to pay more attention to my leader design to.
juro pretty impressive to cast a full line with a 7/32 eye on it.

My main interest was the casting side but of course it is also important to get the balance right so that the fly will mostly fish hook point up.

Thanks for the help so far.

Mike

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Old 04-17-2011, 12:50 PM
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I dunno much about all the science involved in casting. Anyone who has fished with me can vouch for that

Never the less Mike, I typically use 5/32 or 3/16 inch Spirit River Real Eyes Plus for my Clousers on a #1 or 1/0 hook & dress as needed to look right. I do have larger & smaller sizes for when I make other sizes as well.
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Old 04-17-2011, 03:35 PM
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Thanks Warren. I to, use those sizes of eyes for my 1 and 1/0 Clousers. For the life of me I can't cast the 7/32 versions. Scary things. Can see them sything through my rod tip with a miss timed /placed cast.

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Mike - Just curious, what hook model, size and brand do you use?
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Old 04-18-2011, 12:36 PM
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The varivas 2610 st-v in sizes #6 - #2 are probably the most popular over here.
Im not sure what Mike uses but im sure he'll be along shortly

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The varivas 2610 st-v in sizes #6 - #2 are probably the most popular over here.
Im not sure what Mike uses but im sure he'll be along shortly

PJ
Paul, we have been using the the Sakuma 410 and 430 sizes 6 to 2/0 lately
they seem to be identical to the varivas and are significantly cheaper.

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