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Old 05-04-2009, 10:31 AM
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fundraising idea

Hey guys - I'm going on ten years of running this site without pay and the only complaint I have is when I have to pay for hosting out of pocket

Sponsorships are great but you need a sales effort as well as graphic artist for ad banners, etc. It's like work - I already got enough of that. So here's what I am thinking...

I want to set up a subscriber-only section of the site that will have detailed insider info from contributors like you and I as well as professionals in the trade.

The objective is to cover the server cost (only). Subscriptions will be limited to a small number of 'members'. Monthly subscription will be cheap.

Secret spot-burning on the internet should be the exception, but within this small group of subscribers it's the rule. The little tricks that make a fly pattern something special will be described by it's inventor. Our friends who are professionals will chime in now and again. And the collective intel within our member ranks will be shared no holds barred within the private section.

Let's have a show of hands - who would be game to subscribe for something like this if it were say $5 per month?
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:45 AM
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I am willing to help in anyway that I can with the costs of running the site.


I am in two minds about having a "members only" section.
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:33 AM
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I'm in.

Finally; I'll be able wear my" members only" jacket again . Early 80's high style here I come.
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Old 05-04-2009, 03:37 PM
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I'd be in at that rate, no problem.
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:05 PM
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It would only work if 1) enough people did it and 2) the content was decent. I know I could put some very good Cape insider material into it this year

However it would require a good mix of info - for instance the inside skinny on DIY locations in the tropics, a few secret steelie holes in the PNW that have been good year after year, etc.

In addition to our own detailed hot spot sharing within the small group, I'd ask friends like Simon Gawesworth to talk about casting, and friends like Ed Ward to talk about 'catching'. Ann Smith can make some Gaspe insights available, and Leland Miyawaki can open up the thinking on salmon on poppers (which you just have to see to believe). The Deschutes summer run fishery is something Eric Bigler is very keen on, and there is a wealth of inside knowledge we've gathered on specific tropical destinations like Acklins to name only one. I know spots on the mainland PR where you can hook tarpon up to 75 pounds with a roll cast (but never land them) and Pete's been studying the redfish boom with amazing results. Some have been lucky enough to enjoy Cuba.

Keep in mind it would be a limited membership, small group - just enough to cover the costs. The rest of the site would remain unchanged. No different than a magazine subscription but with much more focused info.
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Old 05-04-2009, 06:12 PM
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I'd be willing to chip in. No problem on a donation basis.

Sorry, but I don't like the idea of a members only section.
Let's face it.....contributing membership is now small to almost nill. I'm afraid if we have a members only group....there will be no one there to contribute info. At that point, why not just pick up the phone?

I enjoy this site.... and the guys who frequent here. I just don't think there will be enough interest in an exclusive club.

just my 2 cents worth.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:15 PM
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It's a tough problem to solve for this kind of interpersonal and open community.

Thousands of other sites do the subscription thing, it's not really exclusive per se just more info for those who belly up to the bar. It's not uncommon in fact it's probably the most common thing out there.

MLB.com, football, dating, financials, porn, even other flyfishing sites do it this way. it's not unusual, just unusual for us.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:26 PM
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"member's only" section kind of smacks of elitism.
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"member's only" section kind of smacks of elitism.
You could interpret it that way. You could also interpret it as the other portion of the name states.... "Subscribers": those who care enough to put their money and or effort behind their arm waving. I am about as anti-elitist as it gets, but I have never suffered dilettantes gladly (the older and crankier I get, the more true that is).

That's my perspective, not an argument. I have to believe there is a way to implement the concept without alienating folks. So, yes, lose the Members word.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:04 PM
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At $5/month, I'm in. MUCH cheaper than the porn sites (oops, did I just say that?)
Let me know how/when/where to send.
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:02 PM
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Count me in. Let me know how and where to ante up. How many do you need to sign up to make this work at $60/yr. if you did not have to have "sponsors"? Suggestions: As a "subscribing member" let me have the ability to to do something that non-subscribing registered users cannot do. Maybe restrict ability to PM others only to subscribers ?? Once a "subscribing member" logs in they remain logged in until they log out but all other users have to log in each time they access site? Something very subtle so as not to create the "elite' atmosphere. Every financial contributor should be recognized as a "subscribing member " under their 'screen name' . Just some thoughts but lets not wait too long. How much, how and where do we send the $$$. If we get any recognition or additional benefits they can develop over time but $$$ is the important issue, right now.
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I may be wrong, but it is my view that the mission of this forum is to promote all aspects of flyfishing, e.g. techniques, equipment, locations, flytying, and the comraderie of like-minded individuals. A members only subsection to the forum will likely eliminate the majority of new/young participants. Youth interested in hunting/fishing actvities have been declining for the past 10 years - just look at license sales decline in each state.

This is a wonderful site and has fostered some lifelong friendships for me over the years. I'll continue to share and learn about the craft, but I'm concerned about an approach that tends to be elitist.

A donation to support the site is a non-issue.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:30 AM
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i've been giving a good deal of thought to juro's query.
it seems to me that the strength of this forum is the comrarderie that has developed amongst the members. that comrarderie has evolved into numerous functions (spring and fall clave) which are organized by a few but all are invited-and it is all done through the forum.

the content, other than member posts, is weak. getting notables to write articles on a regular basis to a limited membership does not seem sustainable at least at first blush. additionally, improving content to attract subscribing members, while a laudable goal, does not appear to play to the forum's strength.

now this is just a thought. assuming that my premises are accurate, does it make sense to to have a minimum participation fee for the claves-say $25. given the numbers of people who show up, that would more than cover the costs. perhaps we could could get some sponsors to provide (small items) t shirts, hats, leader material, tippet, hooks, flies
etc so that each person participating will get a "grab bag" of useful stuff. i don't know for sure, but small items like that are probably easier to get out of sponsors than money and rods, and it all ends up for the benefit of the forum and the participants of the claves or other events in that hey all would get something for their $25 contribution/fee.
just a thought.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:47 AM
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I appreciate the feedback.

It's pretty simple as I see it. The site won't change. However some people will subscribe, get some potent info and hopefully say "wow that was worth it" or at least say "hey I kept the forum going for another year and got some good tips". If nothing else say "nice pictures"

Also a forum subscriber embroidered baseball cap or something.
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I am more than happy to contribute to the FFF, just as I did last year. All we seem to need is a reminder to contribute. I am worried that a member section would be where most of the info would be shared. One possible outcome would be that the most of the messages by regular contributors would be limited to the members section. If that happened, could the non-member section survive? I am only raisng this concern for consideration. Whatever Juro decides is best for the forum I will support. If a member only section is created I would be glad to join.

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