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Old 04-01-2008, 02:43 PM
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Bonaventure and new reg's

The ZEC Members of the Bonaventure River voted yesterday for C%R throughout the season !!IMHO The public sectors on the Bonnie can,on a good run, be as good as drawn waters on other rivers. And some of the drawn pools are just heaven !
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Old 04-03-2008, 08:27 AM
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That is great news! I can only hope that more rivers in the peninsula follow suit.
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Hmmmm.... Wonder how this will effect the Matane, because this ruling will effect the Matane in one form or another. The lack of fish in the Bonnie last year caused much added pressure on the Matane. Wonder if this ruling will do the same, unless the Matane changes over to C+R......which may not be likely.
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Gaspe Winter ?

Anyone have any news on what the Gaspe Winter was like, snow melt, temps, ice out etc. Still early but looking for initial indications on how the Spring might shape up.

Rivers up North last year (Labrador) had snow and ice well into May. It was the heaviest snow and ice in years........
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9 ft of snow in town of Gaspe as of 10 days ago !!! The early June trip's 'll be interesting :-O
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Gaspe Winter

hmmm....wonder if the winter was worse than last year
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Howie:

The Matane had a solid run of salmon last year; the best on the Peninsula in terms of spawning quota and in comparison with recent years. That is a big part of the reason there were as many anglers on the Matane as there was.

My sense is that you are correct relative to additional pressure this season due to the Bonaventure going C&R. There will certainly be less pressure on that river as a result of C&R (and partly because the run and fishing were down in '07). Rivers such as the Matane and York will see additional pressure (we have seen this on the York in the past when runs on other rivers had been poor) as will the Matapedia.

I am glad to see that the Bonaventure enacted these regs; late is alawys better than never.

I doubt that the Matane will go C&R. The river has large runs of salmon and there is no pressure at this point for such a move.

I would have thought that with the runs being down on many Gaspe rivers there would have been more momentum to do something relative to changing the number of tags or perhaps reviewing the methodology applied to determining optimal spawning runs. It is disappointing to see that neither happened.

The Gaspe recevied huge rains last fall (as has been reported and discussed) and there were major floods everywhere. These floods occurred DURING & AFTER spawning and likely had devastating impacts on the spawn. In addition to siltation, the moving around of large boulders scouring spawning areas and redds was not a positive thing for the eggs. We will have to wait and see the outcome as fry are born, etc but if I had to bet one way ot another at this juncture I would say that runs will suffer in a few years when this age cycle is due to return. All the more reason for C&R; there are MANY factors that impact salmon that are beyond our control and the only thing we have any control over is whether or not salmon are released after being caught.

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Howie:

The Matane had a solid run of salmon last year; the best on the Peninsula in terms of spawning quota and in comparison with recent years. That is a big part of the reason there were as many anglers on the Matane as there was.

My sense is that you are correct relative to additional pressure this season due to the Bonaventure going C&R. There will certainly be less pressure on that river as a result of C&R (and partly because the run and fishing were down in '07). Rivers such as the Matane and York will see additional pressure (we have seen this on the York in the past when runs on other rivers had been poor) as will the Matapedia.

I am glad to see that the Bonaventure enacted these regs; late is alawys better than never.

I doubt that the Matane will go C&R. The river has large runs of salmon and there is no pressure at this point for such a move.

I would have thought that with the runs being down on many Gaspe rivers there would have been more momentum to do something relative to changing the number of tags or perhaps reviewing the methodology applied to determining optimal spawning runs. It is disappointing to see that neither happened.

The Gaspe recevied huge rains last fall (as has been reported and discussed) and there were major floods everywhere. These floods occurred DURING & AFTER spawning and likely had devastating impacts on the spawn. In addition to siltation, the moving around of large boulders scouring spawning areas and redds was not a positive thing for the eggs. We will have to wait and see the outcome as fry are born, etc but if I had to bet one way ot another at this juncture I would say that runs will suffer in a few years when this age cycle is due to return. All the more reason for C&R; there are MANY factors that impact salmon that are beyond our control and the only thing we have any control over is whether or not salmon are released after being caught.

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The Bonnie C&R vote is" too late" to be implemented for this year. UNLESS we all get together and send the MRNF messages that we support the ZEC in this mandate. Fishing pressure on the Matane goes up and down with the amount of fish in the river AND water levels . With the Bonnie going C&R for '09 IMHO there'll be an INCREASE in angler activity ,especially from non res.'s .I'll predict Camp Bonnie will be booked for next yr. VERY fast !
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do either of you have URLs that carry things like stats on number of fish estimates for Matane etc?
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http://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/publicati...aumon-2006.pdf

This is thru 2006; hope it helps.

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Just heard from my neighbor in St Rene that this winter was one of the worst in a long time as it relates to snow fall. He told me that on March 22 they had one storm that dumped over three feet of snow on the existing snow pack.

He claimed that the roof on my chalet had an accumulated 7 feet of snow that had to be removed. So it looks like we are going to have some water in the rivers this June and perhaps well into July. Just thought I would pass this on.
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Here's an excellent URL to a site provided by the very enthusiastic Laval Rioux
http://pages.globetrotter.net/annstjean/laval/stats.php
Just hit the 'Reculer" button and you can scroll back through the yrs ad nausium
MORE than enough info to keep ya happy for a few hrs. :-)
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The Bonnie C&R vote is" too late" to be implemented for this year. UNLESS we all get together and send the MRNF messages that we support the ZEC in this mandate. Fishing pressure on the Matane goes up and down with the amount of fish in the river AND water levels . With the Bonnie going C&R for '09 IMHO there'll be an INCREASE in angler activity ,especially from non res.'s .I'll predict Camp Bonnie will be booked for next yr. VERY fast !
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Regarding the C & R on the Bonnie, I would suggest to follow the situation, there is absolutely no reason to push it to 2009. MRNF can apply it anytime with 48 hre advice.

With the Bonnie C & R at least in June, and probably all season long, the pressure will sure be higher on the Matane, but Matapedia will take the big part, prime time being similar with the Bonnie. On the Matane, it is later.

It might be surprise Bill, but I have recommended sooner this winter to apply C & R everywhere, at least until July 15th, and review at this moment. Accordingly with the very low count of grilses last year, the only decent run we can expect this year is the 3 years MSW (so soon in the season). With the current level of snow, we can expect good water condition and probably a very bad surprise by the end of July (mid season counts). But it seems that was not very popular. Anyway, if the season is so bad like I expect (it is not utopic to expect a bad year with grilses again, since the water temp. reported by Fred Worisky last summer were very very cold near Labrador coast - minus 1,8 celsius- , with probably negative effect on parr survival rate during their trip), it will probably be the last year we have this debate.
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Pierre:

I think that what you have suggested -- C&R thru July 15) is a GREAT idea; hats off to you. While I personally feel C&R is best practice, I have no problem IF salmon runs are above minimum levels (this can only be calculated by doing a count FIRST and then allowing salmon to be taken). The big problem that I have had with the management system is that on most rivers counts are done midway thru the season but salmon have been killed without really knowing what the runs are like.

If you are intimating that this will become the norm (C&R until a midseason count is done) then that is a HUGE step that will benefit the resource in a big way.

While folks are contemplating conservation measures I would like to throw one more thought out for consideration and may shock you Pierre. I have always supported the idea of fishing directly below barriers (25 meters downstream as stipulated in the regulations). A friend of mine who is a journalist and is working on a piece regarding conservation measures, etc has raised the issue with me regarding not only whether it is "ethical" to do so but whether there are any affects on the salmon and/or the spawning productivty of salmon that are forced to pool up behind a fence for up to 4 months. As you know I have done more than my share of fishing in these gate pools/sectors and personally do not have an issue with it but he does raise questions which probably ought to be debated and discussed by those who would be able to make such a determination.

You are also right that MRNF can make the decision on the Bonnie if they choose; I believe it was a couple of years ago that the Govt chose to ignore the decision of the members of the Grand Cas to go C&R by essentially stating that it is ultimately the call of the MRNF. I would hope that they would consider this.

Lastly, I feel that runs this year will be poor for the reasons you have said. When we look at what happened last year (smaller runs on many rivers on the Gaspe AND the floods which had to have had negative impacts on the spawn) 5 years from now is not a promising situation either. Perhaps we are simply in a period/cycle that will be poor in terms of salmon runs compared with the good runs we have early in this decade. Aside from buying out commercial nets, the only impact we can have is to utilize C&R. While I would love to see it everywhere all the time, a GREAT compromise would be just as Pierre as suggested.

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