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Old 03-16-2008, 05:12 PM
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New TSA rule sucks!

Well, on my way back from Acklins yesterday security in Nassau wouldn't allow my reels in my carry on. I've ALWAYS carried my reels in my carry on, but they said it was a new rule (I guess they're afraid of someone tying up a flight attendant). They sent someone to get my bag that was already checked and I put me reels in the checked bag. Because of some delays, my bag arrived later. You guessed it . . . my Danielsson LW8/12 and a Hardy Marquis salmon #1, plus lines, backing, cases are missing.
Something's got to be done.
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Old 03-16-2008, 06:22 PM
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Are you sure it was TSA? The Bahamas also runs its own security there and they've not allowed any fishing gear as carry-on for years. That doesn't mean that occasionally guys don't get through with fishing gear, but their policy is to not allow any. It's one reason I try to fish down there without going through Nassau. As far as I know TSA hasn't changed any rules and the rules they have are enforced the same way they do in the states. They usually object to the "string" that are on the reels, but not to the reels themselves. My guess is that you were subjected to Bahamas security rules.
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Old 03-16-2008, 06:39 PM
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Are you sure it was TSA? The Bahamas also runs its own security there and they've not allowed any fishing gear as carry-on for years. That doesn't mean that occasionally guys don't get through with fishing gear, but their policy is to not allow any. It's one reason I try to fish down there without going through Nassau. As far as I know TSA hasn't changed any rules and the rules they have are enforced the same way they do in the states. They usually object to the "string" that are on the reels, but not to the reels themselves. My guess is that you were subjected to Bahamas security rules.
JR, I just checked the TSA website and they suggest flyreels in carry on, so you're right . . . it must be Bahamian security. Thanks.
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Old 03-16-2008, 07:07 PM
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The last time I was down in Nassau... about 5 years ago, I just used the guide's equipment.... I had my reals as carry ons, but left the rods at home. The funny thing was that about 10 years ago, I had everything as checked and got it back..what I didn't get back. which was very interesting was two of my smoking pipes (I smoked a pipe in those days)... They left two others and took the two Dunhill pipes.... they apparently knew the difference in value between them. I think if I went down today , and planned on guide service I would use their eqipment or Fed Ex my equipement to the shop (NOT the Hotel).... then Fed Ex it back home...if I really wanted to use my stuff. I will never put any gear on a plane.
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:22 PM
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That's the worst Bill. I got your message. All 4 of my reels made it back.

What's the next step? Who is liable?
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Old 03-16-2008, 10:08 PM
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That's the worst Bill. I got your message. All 4 of my reels made it back.

What's the next step? Who is liable?
I don't know who's liable. I'll file claims with USAir and TSA. I do have homeowner's insurance on the Hardy, but hadn't listed the Danielsson.

I've written the Minister of Tourism & Aviation and Minister of Security of Bahamas suggesting that they allow reels and inform airport security as such. I've copied them the TSA suggestions that "expensive reels should be packed in your carry-on" US Homeland Security doesn't feel reels are a risk. I've also asked them to write me on gov't letterhead that reels are OK in one's carry on and gently suggested that there are other bonefishing destinations that allow them.

I've ordered a new Danielsson, and new line and backing for my upcoming trip. I'll deal with the Hardy Salmon#1 when I see a good one for sale.

Glad yours are OK.
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:06 AM
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Sorry Bill...

I lost two of my favorite reels and lines and backing from my checked bags coming back through Nassau a while back also..

I was really angry ... called the airline and they sent me some monetary compensation... that took the sting out a little but I dont know how high they will go moneywise to help you... my equipment was not as expensive as yours.. they told me Nassau is notorious for this.... grrrrrrrrrrrr


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Old 03-17-2008, 07:49 AM
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Airlines and Carry on

About five or six years ago I went to Terrace, B.C. to fish the Skeena. All went well getting into Terrace, but on the flight out of Terrace I was not allowed to have my lined reels in my carry on. I was fortunate to get them home without incident, however, I swore that I would not return. I wrote letters to the Terrace Airport Authority stating that I found it hard to believe that a place that claims to be the fishing destination for so many reasons would have a restriction on carrying reels in carry-on luggage. I informed them that I would not return solely for this reason. I got no response.
Has anyone been through Terrace recently? Is this restriction still in force?
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I went to the Bahamas about 3 years ago (see picture above ) and brought all of my gear in my carry on including 2 rods, 2 reels, flies, and spinning tackle. I had no problems in the US or Bahamas on either end of my trip. The rod tubes were strapped to the outside of my backpack and the rest of the tackle was just stuffed in my backpack.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:20 AM
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I went to the Bahamas about 3 years ago (see picture above ) and brought all of my gear in my carry on including 2 rods, 2 reels, flies, and spinning tackle. I had no problems in the US or Bahamas on either end of my trip. The rod tubes were strapped to the outside of my backpack and the rest of the tackle was just stuffed in my backpack.
Mr t_jones. I've fished the Bahamas twice a year for over 10 years and have always done the same with no problem, except for this last encounter in Nassau. Let's hope I can get Bahamian security to issue a change in policy.
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:52 AM
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It is quite common, even in the US, for reels with flyline and backing to be excluded from carry-ons. The TSA site says that expensive reels should be carried on, but says nothing about line. Your chances of getting through with line on your reels might, at best, be 80%. And it's far less than that when returning from other countries. I can think of at least six instances since 9/11 where someone I've flown with has had to turn around and check them. One of them got a little ugly about it and whipped a copy of the TSA regs at the agent and promptly ended up in a locked room long enough that he missed the flight. Several things you have to consider: TSA says you can carry on your rods, it doesn't say you can carry on rod tubes. You can carry on reels, but it says nothing about line. It even says you can carry on your delicate flies, but don't count on taking your 6/0 sailfish flies in your carry-on. There is also a statement on that site (in fact it appears more than once) that says that final decisions on all matters of carry-on belong to the agents on duty. That means, in effect, that they can deny anything they choose to deny. Incovenient for us---yep. But remember this is designed for our saftey and security, not our convenience.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:20 AM
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carry on reels

A few years ago I had my reels pulled at Vancouver [twice] and Toronto once. I lost a like new Loop Seatrout out of Vancouver. I have flown in eastern Canada several times since with no issues. It's always an experience going through these security checks. The last thing to prevail is simple logic. Good luck in your efforts.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:45 AM
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My last trip to Acklins in Dec. I had no problems with the TSA in Boston or Bahamian Security going into Acklins even though I had my reels with line and my flies in my carryon. Returning out out on Nassau I carried on the reels minus their spools. Though they did take my forceps and a couple of spools of tippet.

Its definitly the Bahamian security and not the TSA. What are they doing with all the items they grab?

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Old 03-17-2008, 11:36 AM
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Just a heads up to everyone.......

I have had numerous trips through Nassau and reels have always been somewhat of an issue. I've had them try and make me check them in the past. Usually I ask to speak to a manager and they let me through.

This time was different. There has definitely been a policy change since my last trip. All of the Bahamian security people made it clear to anyone carrying rod tubes that reels would not be allowed (Bill you and I went through different security lines, sounds like the guys in your line were asleep behind the wheel).
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To clarify it is not reels that are the problem here...it is the lines, right?

I would be pissed if a reel with no line on it was not let through but can see why they would not let lines through. Do not necessarily agree with it but can see what 1000 or so yards of backing and fly lines could look like to non fishing security guards. I am sure they would not let anyone carrying that amount of loose line board a plane with it.

A 500-1000 reel if worth much more to me than the lines so why not invest in a way to strip the reels or just pack the spools with lines and carry on the reel body? I would never get put in the position again of having to hand over your reel to people at the gate.

Happened a few times to me coming out of providence and boston and lucky no reels were lost/stolen, now I strip the lines and have not had an issue with a bare reel.

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