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Old 10-08-2007, 02:01 PM
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Great Idea for more Rip Trips - Traveller perspective

John et al, I really like the idea of more Rip Trips and "controlled" access & booking for FFF members. From a "traveller" perspective, I could count on making one or two rip tripsover a two week schedule, rather than depend on only a few trips available while I'm theer. There are others who like me travel great distances to visit the Cape & surrounding fishery and the opportunity for a Rip Trip is always a Highlite of my trips. Lastly, this approach might well reduce the "organization" issues that come with First Come-First Served booking for these trips and allow more flexibility in planning other outings on the Cape for travellers like me and others. As for an overnighter, this would also ease the issue of wifey having to drive me at 6 AM!
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:15 PM
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:48 PM
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2008 rip trips

I don't have a problem with more rip trips in 08. I just need a minimum of $300 as of today. With fuel at $4.50 a gallon an a 20gallon burn to drop off and another 20 gallons to pick up, you can see why I asked to move the number up to 15. It's a double edge sword in needing the bigger boat to get there, but it also comes with a bigger expense to operate. Now that I know more of you are willing to jump on at a moments notice, I can offer more trips to the lighthouse. My mom was very eager to run day trips down there, but I had a hard time coming up with 5 people minimum ,at $60, to go on the same day. Next year I will post the days people are looking to go on the field walk, and combine the two groups to get everyone down there.

As far as staying overnight, I will put in a request next year after hearing about the status of the lighthouse conditions. Also, certain times of the spring and summer the lighthouse quarters are filled with Refuge staff, so if at all. it would most likely be a late summer- fall time frame. I know the refuge maint. man from Sudbury put a good week in down there trying to clean up the lighthouse and fix some of the damages from the Dec 05 winter-cane.

I fully agree and suggested originally, that this be for forum members only. SM is somehow very different than SB or NM, and needs to be protected more by all that venture down there. This is not a place that could handle the heavy traffic that SB and NM endure day and day out during the season. I have to laugh to myself when certain Guides complain to me, about how crowded it is at SB and NM, considering they, their store and corporate sponsor created the problem during the 90s. I think we are a different breed here and all try to avoid the future head scratch and saying "what the hell have we done!!"

Even after 18 years of fishing the flats at NM, every summer we have fisherman walking through closed areas and these are seasoned veterans, Professionals and newcombers. Some even do it after I give them their final verbal warning before leaving the boat in the morning. This is why I like to have one person in charge down there. Juro, John and Jim know the refuge system, they know this is a privilege trip, and that it can be gone in one written ticket. Having the s on the ground down there is just another way of making sure things are done right, so we can continue to go back year after year.

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Old 10-09-2007, 09:58 PM
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Thanks for that Keith...I am sure we are all in agreement with the points you mention and we will continue to value the privilege knowing that it is just that. Looking forward to the trips we can do, including the Light house, as well as our usual trips to SB and NM. See you soon.
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Old 10-10-2007, 04:41 AM
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John , sign me up for an overnight. Not to beat a dead horse, but when I attended the Refuge Meetings , Mike stressed if anyone stepped on a bird's nest a report would go all the way up to Washington!!!!! And the result would be not very good for us. The Fish and Wildlife Service takes very seriously the protection of the endangered Plover. I know we all make jokes about this but they mean business.
08 looks like a great season. FishHawk
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:10 AM
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Thats a question I had...I'm not very boat savvy. But how come none of those boats in the area ever anchored and came to shore - like they do in Pleasant bay?

Is it because the sea conditions are too difficult, or because they aren't allowed too?
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:24 AM
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FWIW I'm in full agreement with everyone above; we should keep the Rip to ourselves. It's much easier to police people we know, not that I've seen anyone who really needs policing. With SB virtually dead most of the season, and NM crowded during season and fish dropping way off after June, I would definitely be in favor of more Rip trips. I'm sure Dad (Paxton) would probably feel the same way.
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:25 AM
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There is very limited shore access down there and many areas of beach are totally closed all the way down to the water's edge.

The refuge publishes a map highlighting the open / closed areas. This tends to vary according to the season & bird migrations but some areas remain closed year-round.

Here's the latest from the refuge website but best to check locally in case there have been any last minute updates:

http://www.fws.gov/northeast/monomoy...Areas_2007.pdf
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:29 AM
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Sean..I think they are not allowed , otherwise you would see boats all along the western shoreline like you see up in the tub on South Beach...not to mention the wind conditions that can blow up. Don't forget we had one trip where the wind blew up quickly ,a 30 mile plus SW wind while we were down there...Keith could not get down there and we had to walk about 8 miles, around the point, past the light house and up to the very end of the North Tip... we all got to the refuge around 7pm.... and very tired. Stop by the rufuge for a map of the area where it shows the restrictions. There maybe one or two areas on the south island where you can drop off...after you get permission from the refuge...but they are rare . When you see people walking on shore it's usually staff of the refuge, hikers or birders ...or us...with permission. I saw one guy beach his boat and spin cast near us...did not have my radio then .... also I have seen a boat beached near the powder hole with beach goers.... I don't know what happened...but with our radios I would call them in to the refuge next time. Send Chad after them.

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Old 10-10-2007, 08:28 AM
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By the way,... and I know some are thinking this... forgot to say that there have been a number of times where I could have been dropped off by friends in Chatham who have boats, some fish others simply take families out for boat rides ....and could have dropped me off and then picked me up at the end of the day (a "quick" drop off and pickup)...BUT... because of the rules I can not do that...
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South Monomoy access

As John suggested, access to S. Monomoy is limited, so landing a boat on the beach is forbidden. We are very priviledged to have the opportunity to fish there. (thanks Keith) Having last Sunday's rip trip canceled due to weather, I missed my first chance to fish there and get to meet some of you guys. So now I am looking forward to joining you guys for a few trips in 2008. In the recent years I have brought my 16' boat part of the way down the west coast of S. Mononmoy and anchored up on sandbars off shore. I live in NH and only get down this way 8 - 10 times a year. However, if we could work it out it would be my pleasure to take a few of you along.

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Mark, Thanks for that picture... remember all the whales breaching off the shore.... One breached behind us as the picture was taken...
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