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Old 05-10-2000, 02:31 PM
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RE:Addressing Hook Mortality IS Important

Guys this is a great thread - but if I may say one thing at this point in the discussion the point is not about imposing beliefs or passing judgement on anyone or any fishing method. It's really about increasing awareness of the situation we have, publishing and communicating the things people could do to reduce mortality regardless of the type of tackle chosen, and cultivating a more survival minded fishing community.

CCA is an honorable society of conservationists and anglers who spend a lot of time, effort and money to protect the interests of fishermen and fish. The average member in such an organization is a pretty advanced angler and is in the low-impact class. CCA has been very influential in promoting knowledge and solidarity for recreational interests (part of the solution, not the problem).

I personally feel we could take the lead of other regions worldwide and use gear restrictions as a way to minimize impact on gamefish. I do not feel this is an imposition but a necessity dictated by the impact on the fishery. We shouldn't let uproar stop what's right any more than people in those regions did when the rules were introduced. The wide-open unrestricted gear fishery does indeed damage fish, in fact that's why there are single-barbless <1" gap no bait restrictions on certain west coast salmon / steelhead fisheries, just to name one example.

I think fly fishermen are lucky in that the mortality per discard is low by nature of the game. I'd be willing to bet those who only know how to chunk for schoolies don't enjoy the same degree of comfort with the impact on the fish they catch. The guys who killed that 29 1/2" striper (with the steel leader hanging out of it's gullet) we found during the clave couldn't have felt good when they drove home. I'll bet that if the community, and yes - even the regulations, pointed them in the right direction they could still have great success fishing and release such fish to spawn again.

I think awareness through things like pamphlets and clever distribution programs, articles published in magazines, and great moves like the CCA video are the first step.

Introducing ideas for regulations for the sake of the fish is the second step. Affecting such improvements by working with other organizations is the third step...

Reducing the mortality rate of stripers is the goal.
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Old 05-10-2000, 08:05 PM
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RE:Addressing Hook Mortality IS Important

First off great thread! Thanks Bruce for lighting the fire.

Maybe rename it "The trouble with trebles". I have a surf bag full of lures with those nasty buggers. They get less use every year. But last weekend in the excitement of fish busting all over the top I couldn't resist throwing a brand new Gibbs Polaris popper into the fray. With great success I might add. However to my dismay the new popper was still barbed. Fortunately only one hook on the back treble took hold and I was able to push it through and bend the barb back for a clean release. All other barbs were promptly crushed.

I continued to fish it for awhile until a schoolie inhaled the entire popper which resulted in me having to reach in with a hookout usually reserved for bluefish to remove the back treble without simultaneously impaling myself which happened anyway. I felt bad about the time it took me to get that fish back in the water.

I then used the lure to play a game. I would just pop it as a teaser and pull it away from the charging fish and Bob would cast out his crease fly into the pumped up fish. Very exciting, kinda like mini-marlin fishing. Then I put that rod away.

A couple of observations. People buy and use lures off the shelf with trebles because that's the way lure manufacturer's build them. Some high quality lures like Gibbs and Kastmasters can be modified to single hooks without serious detriment to the designed action and loss of hookup capability. Others like rebels and rapalas from my experience cannot. Most average Joe's that buy lures aren't considering the release before the catch. Some just don't care. [img]" border="0" align="middle">

Another observation from my experience is that schoolies thrash violently when landed while the bigger cows go limp when under control making release an easier proposition. Maybe they get smarter with age. <img src="[/img]
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Old 05-11-2000, 05:06 AM
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For public education purposes rather than debating the accuracy of the c&r mortality figures or trying to justify and minimize them we should put them out there and beat em like a drum. Half a million dead bass gets folks attention and we shouldn't shy away from using it for that purpose. I would agree there is some question about the figures but spend some time around the canal and you can see to many fish are being wasted. In the short term awareness is the key. It would be so nice to walk into a tackle shop and see a fish freindly section with some educational pamphlets single hooked plugs and circle hooks. Some hardheads will never change but many others will especialy newer fisherman if provided with an introduction to fish freindly tackle and release procedures. Steve I am not trying to pass value judgements on others I to keep fish and love casting eels along the elizabeths as well as throwing pencil poppers into the boulders. I also agree with Juro about the CCA but as I said above we need to embrace the problem to fix it and I do believe it's a problem. Great idea Aaron.
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Old 05-23-2000, 09:01 AM
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RE:Addressing Hook Mortality IS Important

I'll post the draft... Thursday PM looks best. Please check for it and make comments.

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