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Old 05-02-2007, 06:09 PM
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Wire vs. Flouro (pike)

Hooked into a few toothy critters this evening on the harbor out here. Lost a few also as I wasn't prepared for dealing with a mouth built by Black and Decker.

Wondering if I could get away with using some 60lb flourocarbon for a bite guard, or I should just use some wire.

Also, I have some 7 strand nylon coated 27# wire sitting here, seems to cut pretty easily with scissors, will it hold up?
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:06 AM
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I use 50lb fluoro and very rarely get bitten off by pike. The fluoro also doesn't discourage bites by other species that might be wire shy, like smallmouth bass.

If you use fluoro, check it after every fish caught. If there are any nicks or abrasions, retie.
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Old 05-03-2007, 08:17 PM
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Wire for the big ones

I have been fishing for pike intensively since the late 80 and have this recipe for leaders

Size of the pike you are targeting decides what type of leader to use

small hammer handle pike heavy mono or fluoro is quite fine but check for nicks often

MEdium pike from 24 to 34 inch you can get away with heavy mono or fluoro or even kevlar type leaders and again watch for the nicks

Big pike 34 to 50 inch i use wire only 15 pounds tyger leader or surflon is fine, the reason i dont use mono or other type of leasers is very simple you will lose a fish every 2 to 3 hit cause they will swallow the hook and cut the leader and spit out the fly

Who would want to lose a big fish cause of not using wire leader

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Old 05-04-2007, 08:33 AM
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Who would want to lose a big fish cause of not using wire leader
I guess it depends on your own personal experiences. I very rarely lose big fish when fishing fluoro.

Jamey- This just shows that it's different strokes for different folks. Each leader system has its advantages and drawbacks, so try each and make your own choice.
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Striping a fly on the surface or under the surface poses no problem with fluoro but add the slow dead drift to the equation and the big pike will simply cruise up to the fly and gently suck it in, if your hook is not 4 inch long your screwed they will cut the leader 75 % of the time no mater who you are.

I fish for pike 90 days a year and have tried all kind of leader the bad thing about fluoro or mono are the pike that are really shy (non aggressive ones)and wont attack the fly hard and these one are the ones that swallow the fly deep so how do you fix this problem if the fly is in the mouth how do you keep the leader from being cut

Lots of people who I guide have fished with me and have lost trophy pike beacaus e of fluoro and mono, I guarantee that those guys when fishing for big pike never use mono or fluoro just stand by steel leaders (I guess the learnt the hard way)





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With all due respect, you aren't the only one who has done extensive flyfishing for pike. I am well aware of how pike attack a fly depending on their moods and the speed of the retrieve. I'm just letting Jamey and others know that there are options out there besides wire, and that they should find out what's best for them. They might find that they like wire best, and they might not.

Like I said, different strokes for different folks.

Do I have to post a picture of pike too?
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MArk I never said nothing wrong just letting Jamey know what we do up here

Hope I didnt offend you MArk if i did i am sorry my intention were to imform jamey on wire

I never said I was the only one who fishes for pike intensively

I though I posted a freindly and informative and different oppinion than you so whats with the picture remark


PS the picture were for everyone

Like you said different strokes for different folks

Sorry I will just let you respond from now on


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Here is another picture for jamey (MARK CLOSE YOUR EYES Joke

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MArk I never said nothing wrong just letting Jamey know what we do up here

Hope I didnt offend you MArk if i did i am sorry my intention were to imform jamey on wire

I never said I was the only one who fishes for pike intensively
The fact that you directed your previous post at me (and me alone) is what made me respond the way that I did. By directing it at me, it seemed that you were trying to show that your opinion carries more weight because of the number of days that you spend on the water and that you guide, followed by yet another picture.

I apologize for the misinterpretation, and thanks for the clarification.
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Thanks for the reply MArk

I should of responded in a clearer fashion to Jamey

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Jamey, Manitou, and others.....some more good discussion regarding wire, fluoro, and even hooks here:

http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flyta...ghlight=fluoro
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Northern waters Vs. Southern Waters

Let me add a bit of clarification to this issue. Where I fish for pike, and I suspect the same is true for Manitou where he fishes for pike, we need not worry about other species like bass, we don't have bass, it's too cold for them! There may be an occaional accidental walleye/pickeral but they don't seem to mind the wire. Maybe a fluoro shock tipppet might get more of them, I don't know.
I have yet to have a leader shy pike! So for me the ease of tying on a steel ( I use 20 Lb. Tyger Wire almost exclusively) onto my leader is the only reason I don't use heavy mono, fluoro or other. I'm just too lazy to change the tippet and I hate the knots I need to make to tie on 60 Lb. fluoro onto 15 Lb. tippet. When next I go to southern waters???
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Is the 27lb, 7 strand, nylon coated Surflon up to the test? It just seems too easy to cut with scissors.

I was just planning on running some 0.023 mono straight to about 8in of the 60lb flouro. Not looking to set any IGFA records for tippet strength, more looking for good turnover for heavy rabbit flies. Using 50lb GS backing.

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27 pounds is plenty I rarely use more than 20 lBS

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Three questions:
What brand of wire?
Do you tie knots or crimp?
How does it affect casting?
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