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Old 04-15-2007, 01:24 PM
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deep eel fly critique

I tied my first deep (sand) eel for the Cape.
planning on fishing begining of June.
Was wondering if some of the vets could give me some feed back on my tie.
There is a lot of info about this tie and what to make sure I have it close.
I haven't had a chance to paint the eyes yet.

aproximate lenght 3 3/4"

# 1 hook
3/16 dumbell eyes
pearl flashabou highlight
white unique hair bottom
olive " " top also plan on chart. and tan

am I in the ballpark?
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:34 PM
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Looks pretty good! It will catch fish for sure.

Couple notes FWIW... and that might not be much hehe

IMHO - the hook should be a 1/0 (or 2/0) 811s TMC and the eyes should be 7/32" silver real eyes with pearl or yellow inserts. Burnish them in with the edge of the thumbnail and they will never come out. The more the eyes wear the more natural they look. You can tumble them in a stone polisher with grit to dampen the shine.

You tie in the white bottom before the eyes and I never wrap across behind the eye, not even once. Build a wedge with the white thread to cradle the eyes and they will never spin, ever. Finish with mono thread and use a drop of zap-a-gap to seal the deal.

The tail could use a little more 'french mustache' twisting to a sharp tapered point. This helps in a lot of ways - action and dissipating energy in the air to reduce the recoil effect of weighted flies in fact I get no noticable recoil unless the tippet is very thin (which mine never is, 15# flouro min.)

The length is short. The length I use 99% of the time is 1/2 the length of the whole swatch plus the extension created by the 'twizzle'... about 6". You should always use a whole length cut and fold with the mustache technique instead of cutting partial lengths off the swatch.

I catch 12" schoolies up to 46" stripers on that 6" size.

Looks like you finished the head with mono thread, which makes it look ultra natural. You can lay a strand of flash horizontally under the mono thread and it's sheen will come out distinctly when you get it wet.
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:36 PM
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You've got it right - great job. Eyes on a sand eel are yellow with a black pupil. As you know, its the "go to" fly on the cape. Thank Juro for creating the "deep eel."
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:44 PM
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Credit where due...

Mr Clouser came up with the 'deep minnow' and this variation is clearly a sea eel, hence the 'deep eel'.

I was given a pair of sand eel clousers by Robert Bianci of Boston many years ago (20?) and I have refined the design so there is little in common but the idea is the same - a deep minnow that is distinctly a sand eel.

I have put a few of my own elements in it, but the way I see it it's like a good song someone wrote and you put your own stuff around the chord pattern and your own voicings and solos and there you have it.

That being said I haven't seen a store bought clouser I've liked
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Old 04-15-2007, 02:29 PM
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6" !!
wow, Ok I figured I'd make the smallest version first but did not plan on six inches. I think I'll practice casting one of those before I head up!

I think the biggest problem I'm haveing is the "twizzle" for some reason I can't get it to work. The fibers don't seem to want to nit together. Is the Unique Hair a little too stiff? Or, is more a matter of pulling some of the center fibers out to create the tapper.

Juro I did use your technique on attaching the eyes and no wraps behind and good idea about the flash under the momo head. ;-)

Jim, How many do you suggest I tie for a weekends fishing?

I can't get over what a great sport this is; yesturday I was tying #14 Hendricksons for the afternoon hatch and today (since it's pouring) I'm tying 6" sand eels!
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Not to worry about the twizzle, if you're not comfortable with that tapering appoach. Pull out about one-third of the middle section of the unique hair to the length you desire. Then, pull out the surrounding one-third to half that length. That should taper the tail. Thus, one third remains iin its original position. Remember, a sand eel is a slim baitfish with a very tapered tail and snout.

When you're on the cape, we'll show you the real thing.

Listen to Juro, he is the master on deep eels, as attested by the cows he's caught. One caveat, there is more to feeding those cows than the fly.
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I think I've got the twizzle. Took a little practice but looks much better, thanks.

quote: "One caveat, there is more to feeding those cows than the fly."

No doubt, but the only way to start learning is to; get started.

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The key to the twizzle is to work one end, then work from the middle toward the other end to balance the two ends BEFORE folding.

After the fibers are all laying straight (but pointed on the ends) fold but hold the fold point in a soft crease with the fingers. Lay the fold on the shaft of the hook and tie over it letting the thread pull it shut with the ends matching.

If tying a smaller summer fly, tie further toward the middle, trim and discard the loop.

You will notice that a well twizzled tip dances in the current.
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Juro. What colors do you like for the early spring fishing on the Cape?

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Better?

Not a great picture but in a rush out the door.

Does this look more like it?
How about volume? more / less material?

funny how work always seems to get in the way
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A little thinner profile, a bit more sparse and less material on the eye side of the shank. If you have too much tail/body material (white stuff on the bottom) the fly may ride hook point down.

Spring colors: I like a olive/chartruse blend to chartruse (several strands) to lavender (several strands) to some shade of white. Maybe a few strands of polarflash. But I think, in the spring, the colors are for the tyer not the fish. Maybe lean toward hi vis colors. High sun/summer drab olive, tan, little or no flash.
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:42 AM
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Fred knows his stuff, people usually dont realize that materials often cause bouyancy despite mass or flip from resistance in current (foil).

You can put less on the head because the zap a gap bonds everything.

** dont' stub the length of the snout - look at a sand eel to see they have a long snout, no guppies ***

That taper is NICE. Couple notes - that thicker profile is ideal for fast deep currents (big girl bar etc). As long as it doesn't foul it's fine. Slim down for summer.

Vary the top color to root beer as the sand eels settle in to sandy habitat.

Layer a middle streak of another fiber color for even more likelike results. I use chartreuse under olive, wine or brown under root beer etc.

In spring and fall go bright with a streak layer and increase the amount of flash to a good swatch of DNA pearl colors. you can even go single tone chartreuse on top in spring with great results

If tied right the dressing outlasts the metal hook in this pattern, I have some that are 5 years old and have caught countless fish without the head ever spinning on axis due to the vee build up under and the countering pressure from the wrap technique against it.
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I use ultra fine mono on the head of the fly. You get less build up and a nice profile. Colors - tan over polar bear white, tan over smoke (no bright white - just my preference. ) or olive over PBW. I use one or two strands of root beer krystal flash with tan, olive KF with olive and Grey Ghost KF with PBW/smoke. I like black or sliver real eyes black is more like a steel gray with a plain white eye and black pupil. Also, try some with no flash.
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