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Old 04-02-2007, 11:20 PM
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Bonsoir!!

I was wondering what color fly lines you are using?
Is line color important for you??



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Old 04-03-2007, 03:56 AM
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I don't think it really matters, they all must look black when viewed from below.

On the otherhand I am sure that a fresh salmon cannot conect the line with the fly, they might when they become stale residents but even then I'm douibtful.
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Old 04-03-2007, 07:43 AM
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Ann,

Sorry to hear about your illness. Cabin fever is a temporary state. It goes away in May. I've been dealing with it for several months as well.

Oh..... and about the line. I think a bright flourscent Green sinking line may shake things up in a quite pool.....especially on the pick-up for the next cast. It usually works very, but thats after you leave the pool. Usually the next fly down the pool gets one.
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Old 04-03-2007, 02:57 PM
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Read somewhere that white was the least visible line colour while it's floating on the water. Line flash in the air is a big deal when casting over skittish trout (been there, done that ), but for salmon . . . ?

I've reached a point in my fishing life, that if I feel something makes a difference, then I follow my instincts, regardless of conventional wisdom. In reality, it may make no difference at all, but if I fish more confidently when adhering to my angling idiosyncrasies, then I'll do better than if I were to discard them.

One of my "memos to self" for September will be to fish in a more stealthy manner, which includes using less visible lines.

I'm also a believer that any fish's decision to strike is made up of an accumulation of events and effects. They have a brain the size of a pea so we can't give them credit for intelligence, but instinct will guide them in a "strike/no strike" decision. We will never know for sure why one fish chose to strike while others did not, so the best we can do is to remove as much as possible, any disincentive to strike. I include line colour in this determination.
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Old 04-03-2007, 11:00 PM
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Bryan Styskal has a nice archived post on speypages describing fly line colors as seen from below in the water
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Old 04-04-2007, 12:57 AM
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Well said, Peter,,, I agree wholeheartedly!
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ps: in my experience, Wulff Ivory lines and similar offer good 'disincentives' to strike =8^)


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I'm also a believer that any fish's decision to strike is made up of an accumulation of events and effects. They have a brain the size of a pea so we can't give them credit for intelligence, but instinct will guide them in a "strike/no strike" decision. We will never know for sure why one fish chose to strike while others did not, so the best we can do is to remove as much as possible, any disincentive to strike. I include line colour in this determination.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:12 AM
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My line choices tend to be guided by the character,quality , and performance properties of each line.
For my two handed rods either SF's XLT or Airflo's superb (IMHO)Delta Spey lines.BTW they'are all a bright florescent green :-O .Leaders on my two handers are usually 14 ft+ . That being said I've seen carefully cast 20ft 2lb leaders and #12 flies spook fish in low water conditions !!!!!!
For my single handed rods NOTHING but NOTHING will beat Airflo's Saltwater Tactical series of lines. Just check out next time ya on the river and watch the guy that's casting WAY better that you and chances are he's using a light blue coloured line .This line has adapted extremely well to our Quebec Salmon waters .
When I "need " a single handed rod sinktip, I'll go to SF's superb(IMHO) Ultra4 lines(beige and grey coloured )
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With good casting I don't think color makes any difference whatsoever . . . with one exception. My single handed lines are ivory (Wulff), double handed lines are light blue (Jetstream), bright orange (XLT), white/ivory (Scierra MWF) plus dark full-sinking lines and tips (I've also just purchased a SA Skagit, and the line is coral.) The one exception concerns clear intermediate lines and tips. In bright sunshine they glow like they were made of neon. I slightly roughen the surface and dye them. With the exception of sink tips, most of my leaders are from 14 to 20 feet in length.
Bill

Actually, I forgot that I have a new 5/6 CND black spey rod for trout that I haven't used yet and the 18' intermediate tip of the CND line is opaque light olive color. Excellent looking tip.

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Old 04-04-2007, 01:23 PM
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What sort of leader do you use on the XLT and what's the typical fishing distance?
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Old 04-04-2007, 02:07 PM
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Hi Peter
About a 14 or 15' leader on my 1398 Burkheimer . . . casting distances probably 45' and up (although I certainly start much closer). Normal longish casts are 75 to 90 ft, although good to 110 or 120 (or more). But those distances are not often req'd.
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Old 04-04-2007, 02:11 PM
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For floating lines, I don't think it makes any difference since the leader and tippet are many feet from the line. I want to be able to easily see the line though; therefore, I use visible floating lines in lighte or florescent colors.

With sinking lines, it was established many years ago by the US Navy that the least visible color underwater was plain, non-florescent white. Unfortunately, anglers have decided that sunk lines need to be dark colored greys, browns, olives, or black to "make them less alarming" to fish. I would really like to see sink tip and sunk lines made in white or very light grey. I know, probably wishful thinking since nearly all anglers think the dark sunk lines are less visible or alarming despite the research on visibility of colors underwater.
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Old 04-04-2007, 03:01 PM
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I'm more concerned with the line in the air, casting over gin clear water conditions where there is a relatively smooth surface. The fish see everything. I've watched trout scatter as my fluorescent orange line rolled out under these sorts of conditions, and while salmon may not scatter, it might make them hunker down. The Kiwis make a big deal about this.

We have success with a fluorescent line and we conclude that the colour didn't matter. Perhaps under the conditions we were fishing, it didn't. Then again, under different conditions perhaps we would have beached an extra fish or two with a less conspicuous line. No way to know one way or the other.

I'll err on the side of caution.

BTW, totally agree with you about the colour of full sinkers. Never made any sense to me either. In freshwater, a very pale green would probably be best.
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As a flats rat, I've always wanted a stealthy sinker. I had a discussion with Simon Gawesworth of Rio per the color of sinking lines. Apparently the impregnation of tungsten into the coating makes it any shade you want as long as it's black (or brown).

I guess that adding more coating is not a good option even if it would add camoflage. One of the advantages of hi-density line is thin diameter which makes it work better. To add coating to hide the color increases the diameter and requires more grain weight for less sink due to resistance. So the net result of adding colored coating is a line that requires a higher AFTMA rating that does not sink as well.

I've had good luck with black full sink lines in spooky conditions but they require that the angler "angle", literally. The presentation of a fly is much more limited with a full sink line but that (albeit narrow) presentation window is not available with other lines.

For instance, you can catch spooky fish all day on a shallow flat if you get headshots instead of other angles. Thats more about where you stand, and when (tide etc).

You can catch the spookiest August steelhead with a 15ft black tip if you hang it down right in the seam from a good angle above.

I sometimes put sinking lines on client's rods when the tides are heavy and the fish are in a fast running gut, even in bright sunlight. Angle is everything and it's easy to spook the fish with that but anything else and you go fishless.

For mid-summer Gaspe' salmon fishing a floater requires the care of a sinker in other venues! I've only fished it in June before the real low conditions set in. I shall have to experiment more in the days to come!
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I never pay too much attention to MOST of the colors offered by the various dealers. I try to say away from flourescent colors for obvious reasons.....whether they are valid or not.

What I am trying to pay attention to is what line to use during different conditions. Like when is it definately an advantage to using a sinking or sinking tip line. Most of us I assume prefer floaters.

On the Gaspe, most of my experience has been with floaters. I really never started fishing there until July 1 on any given year.

I did fish extensively in Russia with sinking lines in high water on the north Kola rivers. You had such a big head of cold water, and you needed wieghted flies and wieghted lines.... But on the Gaspe I have not had that experience.

So my question is that this year....I may be able to fish in June.....especially on the Matepedia..... IS THE USE OF A SINKING LINE AN ADVANTAGE ON THAT RIVER DURING JUNE????????????
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I buy that explanation for Type 5 and denser, but Type 2s and 3s could be nothing more than a Type 6 with a coating. Guideline PT dual density sinkers are coloured at the back end and dark at the front, demonstrating that up to Type 3 at least, adding colour over the tungsten is easily done.
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