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Old 02-28-2006, 12:16 PM
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That's what we are trying to figure out.
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Its all in the angles the hook provides and getting the bucktail platform set before adding the saddles.

Actually in this instance "bendback" is a mis-nomer because the profile is more like a keel-hook.

The oversize worm hook has the tying area almost in line with the hook point so it didn't take too much bucktail to have the saddles swinging clear. Also in the water the hook bend tends to 'ride low'.
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Now Im interested in this one I like the bend backs an will have to pick up some hook this week an give it a shot be back next week w/a fly ?????
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RAY, just a THOUGHT if you use deer hair for the PLATFORM wont the feather FLOAT ABOVE the HOOK POINT???
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Adrian , just thought of something, is the bucktail platform interfering with the hook point and perhaps that's why there are some missed hook-ups?
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Adrian , just thought of something, is the bucktail platform interfering with the hook point and perhaps that's why there are some missed hook-ups?
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Wouldn't the hackles be more of an issue? The bucktail acts almost like a weed guard and passes around the hook point when pressure is applied because it is so fine. Whereas the width of the hackle in theory could get caught on the point with the pressure added from a take and prevent the hook from penetrating right?

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Bucktail & hackle are no match for a laser sharp point and a firm hook-set

Just ask the guys who rig worm hooks weedless buried in plastic sluggos and slick willies (see John's rigging pics above).

I can see there might be an issue if the point hit dead center on the hackle stem but the saddles in these flies have very fine stems.

The problem with my b-i-y efforts was not having enough gape after bending the hook whilst leaving a long enough platform to tie on.

Here's one from early last season



I actually watched a striper inhale this fly. I saw its mouth close and the fish turn away. When I set the hook it slipped right out of the fish's mouth. The fish didn't spook so I cast again and the same thing happened. Believe it or not the same thing happened two more times. Some dumb fish maybe (it was a keeper by the way).

At that point I knew I had to go back to the drawing board.
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You must have made a series of perfect presentations, though
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Adrian - looking at the fly in your last photo (the DIY bendback) I wonder if the aggressive bend in the shank was causing the hook to rotate sideways when the fish bit or when you pulled the hook against its lips. If the hook rotated so that the point pretty much lined up with the gap between the fish's lips, then it might slip right through with a little help from the hackles and hair. If the hook point were offset you probably would have hooked that fish the first time. Might be a worthwhile experiment to twist the point off-center and give that fly another try.

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