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Old 02-25-2006, 09:46 PM
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Bendbacks for flatwings .....

In my search for the ideal keel-hook style to build a foul-proof flatwing, Jfbasser had suggested trying an owner oversize worm-hook and gave me a couple to try at the saltwater edge show. I like the result.



The hook is a 7/0 and the fly is 9 inches tip to tail.

My "bend-it-yourself" solutions for flatwings last season gave good results but hooking performance was disapointing at times, usually on better sized fish. Finding an XL style hook with enough shank to bend and create a big enough tying platform whilst still retaining enough gape was the challenge.

This hook style is a well proven formula in other applications and I'm looking forward to more fish coming to hand this season.

Sea trials are already scheduled and reports will be forthcoming.
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Old 02-25-2006, 10:21 PM
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VERY NICE tye my Stripermoonie phriend!

I've been using those keel/worm hooks with good success...
Pearl braid produces an interesting body prophile effect and the fly tends to do a broadside darting action when stripped with intent...
Although I still tend to use the smaller Tiemco and Verivas hooks for the more diminutive critters.
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:36 AM
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Nice looking flies guys. Was wondering about the Penguin ,now I know what he is up to this Winter. FishHawk
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:54 AM
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Hook Styles

Therre a re a number of offset shank worm hook styles. The one that Adrian used to tie his fly has an elongated straight shank tying "platform" at the eye relative to other variation of the style of hook (furthest to the right in pics below..The specific substyle is the "oversized worm hook" to make it distinct from the other substyles of ovesized hooks...only two sizes 7/0 and 11/0)..Nice fly Adrian, I have beeen waiting to see your secret color combo
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:58 AM
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great looking flies and that worm hook seems like a terrific idea. what baitfish are these flies immitating? they look just like the smelt in lake ontario. some with a greenish chartreuse cast and some with a pinkish purplish cast. i know a certain river full of steelhead that these would work well on too.
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Old 02-27-2006, 07:52 AM
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Very nice fly Adrian,

I've done a lot of bend backs on worm hooks, and lightweight circle hooks they work well but I always use a fiber based material like bucktail or superhair to minimize the effects of fouling...did you do anything special to keep those saddle flapping?
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Old 02-27-2006, 11:50 AM
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Adrian,

Ever tie a mono loop first before building the fly?

Don't think it would be enough to flip the hook over.

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Old 02-27-2006, 07:52 PM
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Last season I did some experiments with various mono loops and weed-guard styles as a way to prevent fouling but in the end they all came up short. To be fair the test I used was a bit extreme. I made a test "fly" with a very long wispy bucktail wing and no body. This was then subjected to some deliberately bad casting strokes in the back yard, the objective being to make the fly foul. I was looking for a design that I could cast at night and 'swim' in the currents, confident that when it came back in five minutes later, the lack of takes was not due to fouling.

It is possible to modify the casting stroke by opening up the loop and slowing things down which minimizes the tendency to foul. I found that roll casting rarely results in a fouled fly. But there are times at night when a quick "shot" to cover a splash somewhere way-out in the darkness is called for. I like the confidence of knowing that one of the variables has been eliminated.

The other nice thing about inverted styles is you can drag them across the bottom on the flats without hanging up on bits of weed, clam shells, dead crabs etc. and spoiling the presentation
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Old 02-27-2006, 08:45 PM
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bendback flatwings

Adrian the bendback flat wings using the 20lb.mono loop I showed you at the SWE. show the other day don't foul ,I've tried in my experimenting with them to make them foul,I've over powered casts.made ridiculas amounts of false casts ,but so far appear to be foul proof.
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Old 02-28-2006, 04:39 AM
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Yes, that's one variation that I hadn't tried.
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Adrian,

Sounds like you have given this a lot of thought.

Another area to explore might be the double salmon style hook.
The flat wing style might fit perfectly between the two hooks and act like a guide to keep the feathers positioned. Just need a little tooling required to put the step bend in the hook. Also where the two shanks meet keeps the flat wing style of tying feathers from rolling over. No need to build a platform.
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:36 AM
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Flatwings on an inverted double?

As the Guinness professors would say, BRILLIANT
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Would EasyBody braid...

...work on an inverted double?
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Old 02-28-2006, 10:30 AM
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Here's something along the same lines. This designed is a fast sinker with a tadpole like swimming action. I've bent the hooks up in the wing to make it less likely to snag weeds or bottom. This style is helpful when larger materials like deer heads minimizes hook gap.

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Old 02-28-2006, 10:47 AM
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I want more clarification. How do you tie a bend back with a flatwing without the saddles riding on one side of the bend?
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