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Old 01-04-2006, 08:22 PM
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Carp Fishing?

I just got the new cabela's flyfishing magazine and one of the new things that i thought was very interesting was that there was a carp flies and book set. Now im wondering if anyone has seen this or have at least flyfished for carp before. Im wondering whether to buy it or not because carp put up a great fight and would be even harder to land out of the Erie Canal on a fly rod do you think these fly's will actually work? I've never known carp to take fake baits...

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Old 01-04-2006, 08:38 PM
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I looked at the selection and although tempting you have to ask yourself a few questions first. One would be think of the water where you mostly find your carp, is it deep, shallow, is it an ankle to thigh deep, almost like a flat where you would find bonefish or a river that is deep. Although most carp are found in the shallower water and are easier to target sometimes they maybe out alittle deeper. I was introduced into the carp fishing world a short time ago and from what I was taught is that it's a great idea to have flies for all types of situations. The flies that worked the best were smaller crafish imitations anywhere from size 6 to 10, and really webby nymphs with alot of movement sizes 6 to 10. I have put together a box of flies that range from having small to micro led eyes, to plastic nymph eyes, to none atol, depending on the depth of water I was fishing. For me I target them in late april early may through the end of june I find to be the best times. May is a really good month for it is there spawning season and tend to let there guard down alittle bit more, but as the summer months progress they tend to be more aware of what is going on and definatley harder to catch. Stealth and very little motion is key. I would also ask myself, do I find them feeding on the surface and to what they are feeding on. Most of the time I find it is best to fish for them when they are activley feeding, you can catch them when they a kinda just lazily swiming about but more times than not the will scamper off pretty quick once you throw a cast to them as there moving. When I seen the selection they looked all heavily weighted except for the milk weed "dries." I hope this helps. Sorry for being long winded.
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Old 01-04-2006, 08:44 PM
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cool, thanks for the info! The canal is pretty deep though w/ rocky sides so i have to fish off of the side. Can't wade in there. In the summer they are always jumping around so i think i'll be using those milkweed dries. Anyone else? By the way i fish the erie canal.
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Old 01-04-2006, 08:48 PM
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I have fished the Erie Canal a ton with the fly rod for the past few years from the shore line as well as out a kayak. I just started to target the carp this summer. I had very good success with the nymphs and crayfish patterns. If you seen them jumping that probably ment that they were spawing. If some more info on the whole carp thing go talk with Nick Pionessa at the Oak Orchard Fly Shop in Williamsville. I think he may be able to hook you up with a few flies to try out in the canal. Also the book that is pictured with the Carp flies in that catalog is a very good book to have if you are serious about fishing carp with a fly rod.
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Old 01-04-2006, 09:53 PM
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I haven't seen the Cabela's catalog yet so I don't know about the flies, but that's great if they have a section for flyfishing for carp -- they are one of my favorite fish to try for .

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. . . Stealth and very little motion is key. . . .
Definitely!

I've had good luck with crayfish patterns and egg/berry patterns, but the approach and presentation seem to be much more important than the fly. If they're not already "on to you" they are very willing to hit a fly if it's in their path and it looks like food. I haven't had much success with floating flies or carp that are cruising or suspended on the surface. Maybe I'm not quite stealthy enough with my sloppy casts and heavy leaders .

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I've only caught a couple of fish on the "cruise." You really have to time the cast in order to do this. I use pretty heavy leaders and tippet as well, usually 0x or 1x tippet and the same for leaders. I usually carry a few extras because where I fish for them there are a ton of rocks that they like to bolt for to snap you off. They are deffinatley oone of the best game fish to fish for. I would put them next to steelhead in my all time big fish to fish for. I've never fished in salt water so that's about the only comparison I can make although I heard they are a good fish to practice on for bonefish.
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:57 PM
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hmm i fish under lyndon bridge so i cant wade and theres no shores and i dont have a kyak so i'll just do it from the side. Do you usually get a lot of carp on or is it hard to get them to even bite?
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It is harder to fish to them in the canal usually the upper niagara river is the place to be for them. The earlier you can fish for them in the canal the better, because they usually have there gaurd down until the canal starts to get churned up by the boat wake. If you are fishing from the shore the best places I found was around ellicott creek park and around the north tonawanda boat launch, also the best thing to do is wade out just a few feet from the shore if you can and wait for them to come back. They will take off initially when you get down or in the water but after a few minutes they usually return to where they were feeding or mating. If they are mating they won't want anyhting to do with a fly but if you can find the ones hangin out by themselves is the best option hope this can help.
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I must add that the types of flies you you can be very limited depending on where you are fishing. That is, fly selection is limited not only by the prevelance of certain insects and other food sources, but by the other species of fish that live in the smae areas. As an example: In various rivers, I use a fly that only interests the Carp, because there is such an abundance of smaller, quicker fish who will readily take any fly resembling an aqautic insect.

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Yes, Carp certainly will take artificials. However they can be extremely difficult to catch once they have been fished over; especially with flies. But it can be done with remarkable success. This past year is the first I seriously persued Carp, although I had caught them in the past. Mind you, if you can find 'stupid' Carp the learning curve will be much less steep. And for cruising carp, get that fly down!
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Old 01-28-2006, 06:57 PM
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Carp Flys and Fly fishing

Yea I saw the Carp flies and the books in the Cabelas catalog also. It was kind of sad, now fly fishing for Carp is an officially commercial consumer thing. It was only a matter of time until Cabelas cashed in on it though.

Fly fishing for Carp is pretty simple though not easy by any means. You have to use every stealth full trick you know, be really quiet, cast really accurately with a fly thatís appropriate for the conditions. You donít need a fancy fly to catch carp. What you need is a fly on a strong sharp hook and woolly bugger in olive brown or black will do, size 8 or 6 its important to be able to see your fly. Have a selection that are weighted differently. If fish are cruising near the surface a neutrally buoyant fly or one that sinks slowly will do. If the fish are feeding on the bottom in shallow water you want a fly you can see that sinks fast.

Just because one fish spooks at the site of your fly doesnít mean then next one wont rush over and inhale it.

I have noticed sunscreen, and insect repellant seem to have a negative effect. Rub some mud on your fly.

I was out today, the fish were pretty sleepy, and it was really cold, but I did hook one.


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i live in texas and there are some monster carp down here. many of the fly guys down here tie what they call a coffee bean fly, which is little more that a coffee bean glued to a hook with any assortment of rubber legs, etc that they feel will work. i have seen them many different ways, but they all say the same thing that it is the oil in the coffee bean that the carp go wild for. i have not tried it personally, but i have always been intrigued.
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Old 02-03-2006, 01:10 PM
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Sounds like bait fishing to me. I used to fish for Carp with dough balls but it wasnt with a fly rod. Where do you draw the line.

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Sounds like bait fishing to me. I used to fish for Carp with dough balls but it wasnt with a fly rod. Where do you draw the line.

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I think you draw the line when you glue a piece of bait to a hook. It doesn't matter whether you use fly gear or not, I'd call that bait fishing. After all, I could hook a minnow onto a fly and fish with it, but would you say I was fly fishing?
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Old 02-03-2006, 03:38 PM
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Coffe Bean

It could be as simple as thread on a hook. But the one basic rule for me is no stink, slime, or goo.

If you want to fish with worms, dog food, bubble gum, fried clams, fench fries, toe jam, or what ever, thatís fine, its just not fly fishing.

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The coffee bean fly was originaly a beetle imatation developed by one of the old timers on the letort in pa. i can't remember who. it was simply a good silouette for the beetle, not meant to scent or anything. in fact they were usualy covered in laquer. it is no suprise to me that Casellus is in on the carp thing, i'm sure they have an expert staff waiting to take your calls and questions on presentation and the emtomology associated with matching the food source. after all they are the experts.
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