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Old 11-29-2005, 02:59 PM
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first winter fish?

Anyone get one yet?

I'm hearing stories like a friend of a friends uncle got one.


I usually have a chance to swing around the T-Day holiday but not this year.
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Old 11-29-2005, 05:04 PM
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I got one in early November on my only trip out. I'm away from home now but imagine I'll get another crack at 'em in early December water conditions permitting (always a big IF).

This was a new fall fish and more like the summer/fall fish of more southerly waters, ie, a river-maturing fish instead of an ocean-maturing fish.

I learned the terms "ocean-maturing" and "river-maturing" from a trout biologist working on a steelhead project last year. He said he'd got the term from biologists in BC. I really like the term as opposed to "summer" or "winter" fish. Our river-maturing fish will generally enter in Oct through Dec and may be around as long as until June before leaving. Our ocean-maturing fish generally are a March, April and May event.

Thought I'd mention this as I really like those terms and haven't seen them used on the board before. With steelhead having a range from CA to AK in both inland and coastal environs, I think it is more descriptive in that context. I don't expet people to stop using "summer-run" or "winter-run", etc, but I'm curious if others have heard or use these terms.

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Old 11-29-2005, 07:48 PM
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Good term of description! The Mick picked it up this past year and we have used it a couple of times to clean up a (very) few arguments re. run timing.
Hey glad to hear you ran into one I know right where you caught it just not which spot!
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:26 PM
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I like the term just not sure I would call a March fish an ocean maturing fish (although I could get over that). Rather, we all remember those Lass' who matured a little faster in our youths. I always viewed winters as coming around a little faster. Similar to a Pink or Chum (salmon, for Malcom) that changes quickly vs a Spring who takes more time.
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:41 PM
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Ya, we both picked that terminology up at the same time and place and in a very pleasant riparian classroom I might add.

Andre - there's always some grey area when we use these black-and-white terms. There's gonna be some grey areas around the spawning period with some fish. Nevertheless, it's descriptive to the character of the fish rather then the time of year and

Your analogy with the (Spring) Chinook as a river-maturing fish is good. It's interesting that they are similar to steelhead in that they are the only species of the pacific salmon (Correct me on the Cherry) that have both ocean-maturing and river-maturing fish.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:50 PM
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My earliest true winter fish was one Nov. 6th, dime bright in fact some of the scales fell off at the end of the fight. That's fresh from the ocean!

Andre, that boulder garden (actually several) we fished haunt me as early arrival depots.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:23 PM
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Juro, one should never be haunted by steelhead only the thought of never steelheading again. The thought of lessening my "potential" time has caused me to turn down three promotions (I guess that was also haunting). We all live much of our lives reliving the scream of a reel (Perfect), the glint of chrome during a cartwheel, the words of a friend saying "mid teens" and then getting to see their face after its landed . Maybe the best of all is seeing someone get thier first steelhead or first on a particular river. This and endless additional volumes make up steelheading.

These visions include your tail walking hen at the riffle, my first dime bright winter fish, my first summer fish (on a skated Caddis). One of the most special times was with Malcolm in Scotland, this an experience I will revisit (close enough to steelhead, swung flies and they jump).
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Ouch, that really hurts A.

My first winter fish was the 13th of November a few years back. So far this year, not even my uncle's neighbor's cousin has hit one that I'm aware of. Of course, I would never tell you if they did.
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Winter Fish #1, Nov 2005

A Dolly in full spawning regalia!
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Nice fish Bob, you kicked it! Ive been getting hammered at work, little time for the "good life"
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word has it there is atleast a half dozen or so fresh winter fish in a local river.
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Old 12-01-2005, 01:55 PM
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Hmmm . . .

Looks too small to be from the Thompson. Are they from the Ronde?
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