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Old 06-29-2005, 08:30 AM
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I third or fourth the recommendation to go with a 10-weight if you already have an 8. Fish an intermediate on the 8, and you can fish surface down to about 4-6' with ease. Put a 350-450 grain sinking line on the 10 and you can throw big flies, fight the wind and also fish heavy sinking lines if you want to fish down deep. Some guys even like to fish the heavy lines over the sand flats as it gets their fly to the bottom quick.

I have a Sage Xi2-10 weight, but for the $$ and the amount of use you are going to give it, I'd go with a lower end rod. I don't feel that the upper $$ rods justify the sometimes 2x increase in price over whats available on the market today.

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Old 06-29-2005, 10:04 AM
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I agree with the recommendation for T&T. Of course, you should cast a few to see what you like.

The new Horizon II 10-weight is a very, very impressive rod. Fast and powerful!

Good Luck,

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Old 06-29-2005, 01:35 PM
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I own a Horizon and it is a great rod. I would characterize the customer service at T&T in the area of rod repair based on actual experience as "much improved" rather than good. The service was in really tough shape last fall.
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Old 07-12-2005, 04:08 AM
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Thanks chaps for all the very good advice given

I tried a friends 12' 6" 8wt Double Hander over the weekend, now that has really put the cat amongst the pigeons - I loved it - might have to get two rods now.

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Old 07-12-2005, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kieran
I tried a friends 12' 6" 8wt Double Hander over the weekend, now that has really put the cat amongst the pigeons - I loved it - might have to get two rods now.......
If you are leaning towards a two-hander for overhead casting, you really,
really should try out the Atlantis before buying anything.
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Old 07-13-2005, 03:29 AM
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Double Hander


Glad you liked the rod. Made the mistake of lending it to Martin, think I might not being seeing the rod for a while.

I had a really good look at the Atlantis when we were in the Bearden. I was sorely tempted as it is a special rod. If I wasn't off to Canada for two weeks in September, I almost certainly would have bought one. The only downside I could see was that it is a three piece which will make it interesting to fly with. Your rod case will end up being a little longer.
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Old 07-13-2005, 07:42 AM
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That was a great rod, awesome ease of use and capabilities in certain circumstances.

I too like the atlantis, at 2/3 the cost of the Sage it is atttractive, good reviews and shorter.

I wonder if anyone knows of a double handed overhead casting DH Saltwater Tool, of good quality that will go in a aircraft locker?

Definitely the way to go, in rough conditions where distance necessary.

Not sure what it will be like as a fishing tool, will only find out, if I ever manage to hook something!

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Old 07-13-2005, 08:14 AM
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The three pc decision was made for best flex (solid middle section) and durability while being practical. A 4 or 5pc would travel well but this rod has a rather rough day job and it might be fragile with so many ferrules to watch.

I put this and other rods in a hard case and check it as baggage, keeping a single 5-pc single hander with my carry-on luggage in case I get to some faraway destination and my luggage does not arrive till the last day.

As far as being a good fishing tool I think our call to make it 11ft was right on the money. When holding the upper grip the tip guide is just about the same distance from the hand as a 9ft rod's tip. Based on over 10 years of experimentation I believe another 18 inches (12'6") changes things dramatically in the strip-retrieve and fish landing department, never mind another 48" inches of graphite on a 15 ft'er.

I can honestly say that as I become more accustomed to fishing the sea with a two-hander the single hander seems less practical all the time.

On the flats I thought it would be best to bring the lighter single hand rod when the skies were bright, but recently I've found that I fare much better with the 1109 All-arounder since I can see the fish further away, they can see me better and so I can take more effective lead shots even some of over 100ft on a flat without even breathing hard. The fish don't even know I am there by the time I set the hook at high noon on a bluebird day.

I now believe that the lighter single hander is a better tool for low light since the fish and I don't see each other until we almost bump into each other.

Unless the sun completely disappears and I search for a tide rip or hit the ocean surf, when I really miss the two-hander again. Fishing big waves with a single hander is just plain hard work, and a raging ocean tide rip begs for long casts and high grains to keep the fly from swinging out of the current too fast.

When blind casting, which I try to avoid, I find it much more satisfying to air out casts of 120ft or more. It also keeps the fly "in play" a lot longer and increases the chances of a positive encounter.

I think there is a 'hump' that the adopter needs to overcome before they accept the benefits without reservation. By the time an angler becomes proficient at single hand overhead casting, they're at a point where teaching them a new trick is not as easy. The first time someone throws a two-hander they will battle with years of muscle memory. This same nuance is evident in the Spey casting community worldwide, it's just human physics and nature.

But like Spey fishing, there are distinct advantages for those who get over the hump particularly for those who fish the sea, IMHO.
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