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Old 04-12-2005, 10:31 AM
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Spey Rods & Car Carriers

Good day, Jim Corrigan here. Today, I've got two somewhat-related questions for experienced spey rod users ...

1. How important is it to tape the ferrules (joints) on the rod when spey casting? If one was taking the rod down relatively frequently (e.g. every half-day), would the ferrules have a chance to slip (fatally) during 3-6 hours of casting?

I used a big St. Croix spey rod last year. I did not tape it, but took it down relatively frequently (to move between pools & to/from the river). I never felt that the rod sections had twisted or come loose by the end of a fishing session.

I've seen experienced spey casters on the Gaspe leave their rods together for a week. Presumably the ferrules were taped, so it would be a pain-in-the-*ss to take it down every day. Is taping 'super-cautious' or is one foolhardy to spey cast without taping the ferrules of the rod?

This leads me to question #2 ...

2. Just how fast can one go (safely) with set-up fly rods attached to one of those magnetic car carrier devices?

The 'specs' of these things say something like: "Not suitable for highway speeds."

I assume that (some of) the people I've seen using these carriers have taped their rods & don't want to break them down.

I'm thinking about places where one might travel 20-40 kilometers between rivers or pools. How cautiously must one proceed with a couple of rods on these car carriers?

Thanks for any help given to a neophyte with the big rods!

Jim

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Old 04-12-2005, 11:37 AM
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I would allways tape the joints when spey casting as it only takes 2 minutes to do. Some rods are prone to twisting more than others this is probably down to the manufacturing tollerances. From my own experience a rod will twist more when doing a single spey than with a double spey. I use normal electrical tape that costs about 50p a roll, as long as it doesn't leave a sticky residue you will be ok.

As for the rod carriers the ones that use a magnet and vaccum are the best unless you drive a car with alluminium body pannels. i dont know the max safe speed but i have done 75 mph with 2 rods on the car and they didn't move, just doulbe check everything is solid before setting off.
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:51 PM
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Tape ?
Yes, and I'm very embarassed to mention why !
As for Queston #2
If you're using a 4 pc. rod .fold down one of the rear seats ,wind the line onto the rod leaving the fly at the tip of the rod.Break down the rod into 2 .Fold the tip of the rod down next to the butt .Throw into the trunk of the car and lawfully speed to the next pool ! This setup is garanteed to Mach 0.24
Use low tack electrician's tape.
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Old 04-12-2005, 04:02 PM
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Just say yes to tape!

Better safe than sorry, temperature changes and torsion from change of direction casts can loosen any ferrule on any given day

Rod carriers work fantastic and you can see spey rods zooming about from British Columbia to Washington, thru Oregon into norhtern Cal when the runs are on.

Personally I would not do highways with them but everything in between is fair game.

I just use high quality tape and do a stretched, over-lapping spiral which takes only a few seconds and prevents the sections from moving apart. Ending the tape away from the guides prevents the tag from catching the line.

It pulls off easy when putting the rods in the vehicles, goes on easy at the next hole. Most guys out west just leave the tape wound on the rod for the day even when broken down, in other words re-wrap loosely on to one side for re-use later that day.
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Old 04-12-2005, 04:49 PM
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Tape yes.
Rod carriers, build your own or get a plumber to help you.
My front one is bolted to the bulk head and will not move at any speed. The roof one is homemade from a glass carriers suction tool.
It just doesn't move, the last one was tested by Grampian police to 73 mph, cost 60 and three points for the speed check
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Old 04-12-2005, 09:26 PM
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THANKS!

WOW - Thank you all for the informed (and informative!) advice!

And ... it sounds like we're not the only anglers who want to minimize travel time between pools!

My buddy has two driving speeds: white knuckle on the way up the river and MELLOW on the way down in the evening.

Good to know that a rod-carrier should withstand either iteration!

Thanks again for the great advice!

Jim

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Old 04-12-2005, 10:04 PM
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Tape...yes.

The magnetic rod holders from the Red Shed Fly Shop (www.redshedflyshop.com) have held at highway speeds loaded with two 15-16' spey rods no sweat.

Do not buy any immitations! Get the rack Mike sells. This is the only one we have found that reliably holds rods when hopping from hole to hole.

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Old 04-13-2005, 01:52 AM
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a different opinion

tape? no
carrier?
1. break down in car, no worrying
2. use older style clamp down Yakima or other brand ski racks. tested at speeds up to 85 mph.
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Old 04-13-2005, 08:48 AM
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Jim,

I am probably one of the guys you saw up on the gaspe with the magnetic car carrier. I had the thing up to 65 going down a few of those hills along the York and had no problems. Are you going up this year? And if so, when?

Charlie.

P.S. Tape - a good thing!
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Old 04-13-2005, 06:42 PM
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Just my .02 cents. If you're going to tape your rods (I only do with rods rated 9wt or over - back to that in a moment) it's a good idea and works well with rod racks. IF you have a luggage rack on top of your car that's AT LEAST a 4 foot spred you can attach fully rigged spey rods up to 15'. Take a bit of the foam pipe insul. and tape same to the forward bar to protect the rods finish. Attach rods with the short (about 6" bung. cords that have the small balls (cost under a buck) on both ends to hold the rods. (Rod tips forward)

ONLY PLACE you have to pay attention (using the lug. rack) is if your passing a large 18 wheeler; wind will tend to 'wip' the rod tips around. Other than that, the rods will track like a 'tiger' if you have them pointed straight ahead.

Shorter car, I'd recommend a 'double mag.' rod rack (have to use this on the Jeep Liberty) as the roof line/lug. rack is too short. Speed? I've done 70+ and they (either rig) holds the rods in place without problem.

Several of 'us' on the Rogue use simmilar stuff; no one's had a problem yet.

Forgot to add the "*" above: Taping is a choice thing. Larger rods/dynamic cast such as the 'snake' do 'torque' the rod a lot!!!! There tape is good; beyond that, I'd rather check my section connections every 15-20 minutes or so. Tape or no, they WILL rotate. (Look down your rod, guides still lined up?) You can also tell with most rods that 'something' has come 'loose.' The cast will change!! If you're paying even the slightest amount of attention .. you'll know. Trust me on that one.

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Old 04-13-2005, 08:05 PM
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Yes to tape

I use a Yakima rack with cross country ski adaptors. They are safe to any speed you are willing to travel. There have been a few times that I have had to pull the rods off when there was too much of a side wind while traveling. But then, when it is blowing that hard it is time to head home anyway.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:28 PM
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1. How important is it to tape the ferrules (joints) on the rod when spey casting? If one was taking the rod down relatively frequently (e.g. every half-day), would the ferrules have a chance to slip (fatally) during 3-6 hours of casting?
hi mate. It is very important to tape joints at all times, half a day speying is a huge amount of casting. One failure could cost you the catch of a life time. The pressure on the joints when speying should not be under estimated

Experiance on Scottish Dee ,Tweed and Spey has proved this beyond any point in my opinion.

Hope this is of value.

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