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Old 04-12-2005, 01:56 PM
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None of you speek about USA choice not to sign the Kyoto trade, you speek too much about the emergency middle classe, most of gas causing green house effect has been produced many, many years ago, USA don't want to assume his responsability facing warming up and pointing at the finger "the emergency of middle class" , one word consternant...
just curious about the gazoline consumed by an average car in USA, a normal consommation here is about 5 to 6 litres for 100km.
last thing, in France the price of 1 liter of gazoline is 1,30 usd what about this??
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Old 04-12-2005, 02:13 PM
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Rico,

Just as we can't lump all French people into one group you can't group all 'mericans as against Kyoto, in fact many of us would be proud to be part of it but didn't have a lot to say about it. Especially those in this community, who are very concerned about degreading our environment.

In fact if I recall there were some rather unpopular decisions made by the French government lately that impacted many American lives, but I am sure it wasn't you specifically and it does us no good to point you out either.

Anyway, our gas is pretty high right now...

2.20 USD in United States Dollars = 11.1695 FRF or 1.703 EUR

That's why we use high technology to telecommute over high speed internet connections to avoid driving in to the office, holding netmeetings and reading flyfishing forums...
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Old 04-12-2005, 02:28 PM
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Totally agree with you.
i suppose you're talking about mururoa in the pacific, am i right?
It ' s because we have a stupid president ( for 5 more years) we had no choice but to vote for him, because at the second part of the vote he was against a facist, racist, candidat . the result 82% of the vaote for your actual president: Chirac, he is involved in many politic affair, and money affair too, but till he is president he can't be judged.
2,20 usd is for 1 gallon(=5 liters) that's right?
so here 1 gallon cost 5 euros(=6,5 usd).
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Old 04-12-2005, 02:28 PM
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rico, maybe the US should join Kyoto, but that is a little off topic. Maybe you could start a new one.
With regards to nuclear energy: how well is it working for France? What solutions to the issue of radioactive waist have the French come up with? Have there been any accidents or problems? It would seem that nuclear energy could be part of the solution to decreasing the need for fossil fuels.
What has been the French experience?
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Old 04-12-2005, 02:31 PM
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oh 1 euro is for 1 liter of diesel
1,3 euro is for 1 liter of what we call "super".
so 1 gallon of super is 8,45 USD...
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Old 04-12-2005, 02:58 PM
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Dear Eddie,
here it's been a long time that nuclear had be choosen to produce your energy
msot of time there is no "transparence" (= transparency?) about incident in nuclear central, there is a scale with 5 value graduing the damage caused by an incident, recently we had inondation that affected a nuclear central and in 2003 we had a peak of temperature in the summer (so the refrigiration was not enough effective) each time the nuclear autority said it was only a class 2 incident many time after it, but an independant autority affected a class 3 to those incident!!!
there is a site controlled by COGEMA where nuclear S...H...I...T coming from France and other countries are treated. the site is called "la Hague" near from the Channel sea, radioactive water coming from "la Hague" is rejected in the sea very far from the cost, years ago greenpeace decided the take crab that lived near to where the "water" arrived in the sea, greepeace wanted to analyse those crabs.
When they came back to the harbour, the police and the nuclear autority was waiting them.
Autority took the crabs and said they could go to any laboritory because those crabs should be considered as contamined by radioactivity...what do you think of that?
Somebody in this post write about a french school that was built on radioactive place, in fact "la Cogema" was extracted uranium from a place, and let people use the rubble to make embankment for their house or even a school saying there was no problem....many years later there are many case of cancer in that village and leucemia.
here we are very bad at producing green energy German, sweden danemark, norway are the best.
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:03 PM
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Autority took the crabs and said they could NOT go to any laboritory because those crabs .....
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:18 PM
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http://www.greenpeace.org/international/photosvideos/photos/diver-sampling-cogema-nuclear

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/nuclear/reprocessing/cogema-france
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:18 PM
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Thanks Rico for your posts. You should come over sometime and fish with some of us. You will find that most here would agree with your concerns.

You will find that most Americans know little about what happens in other countries unless it involves our country. Our news coverage here is pretty shallow or maybe so much happens here that they have no time but for our news. Even I and I try and read about what's going on in other countries didn't know about your waste problems and the goverment being fascist about it. I agree that good things are happening in the Scandanavian countries, Germany and Denmark in green energy and in such things as water and wasterwater alternatives. Those countries have been leaders in those types of things for a long time.

My concern is that many throughout the 1st world have become complacent. Sometimes that scene in the movie the Matrix where a door was opened and there were all these people on hooks with tubes coming out every where. Someone explained that all those people were being fed dreams that they were happy, had nice homes, big cars and wonderful families, something like that anyway. I think that is what is happening in a round about way. A lot of people here think goverment got too much power I think international big business has too much power and that goverment works for them. Same thing in your country?

Like in your country those of us who care keep trying to get the changes we just need more people to get off that hook and wake up to reality sooner than later.

Come over and fish with us some time.
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:36 PM
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I appreciate a lot, thank you OC.
try the link very intesting.
There is so much to say about pollution do to nuclear, industry, agriculture that i don't know what to begin with.
i think our government and president has a very nice internationale talk and position regarding environment, but here...hugh it seems that politics forget what they say once their back in France, because here agriculture lobby is very strong and most of time know how to be heard by our politics...

see that picture took in Bretagne
http://www.delaplanete.org/articles/no_2/mayo.html
tons of seaweed proliferate because of pigs faeces in intensive farming
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Old 04-12-2005, 04:04 PM
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Rico,

That surprises me that you even have intensive farming. I think we call it industrial farming here. We always hear that you Frenchmen and Italians take great pride in local farm economy and produce from the small farmer, you know real fresh produce. Thought you had strict rules against industrial farming. Just goes to show you we are all in the same boat and we seem to be sinking just about as fast. Our industrial farming and industrial aquaculture is goverment encouraged even though the pollution is great.

Well on a good note I'm headed out tomorrow to my daughters ranch in the big state of Wyoming to help pull a few calves out of cows, fix fence and do a litttle fishing with the grandkids. By the way the cattle ranch is an organic operation so I feel good about what goes on there and it's encouraging that my daughter loves the land and takes care of it dearly. It is good to see young people concerned about the environment world wide.
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Old 04-12-2005, 06:00 PM
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This just in.....

A Federal Goverment report claims that there are missing spent fuel rods from several of our nations reactors and calls for action!!!! Reading the article in this regard was a real eye opener for me. Did you know that 90% of the funding for the Regulation of the Nukes come from the Nukes themselves this has some observers claiming that the Nukes get to have some pressure on the reporting of the facts that are certified by the inspection program. Sounds a bit cynical to me but hell I'm a cynic what do I know!
Theres that darn Liberal hijacking this Nuclear disscussion going on about his kids cattle ranch being "Organic" what the hell does that mean do they feed the cows Tofu?
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Old 04-12-2005, 06:32 PM
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Sorry Moonlight about the hijacking the thread. The way I look at it, it is all the same thing. Industry has just got too big and too powerful what you described about the missing fuel rods is the same with so much. I would love to see that report on the missing fuel rods. I would love to see more on what is really happening out there throughout the world.

So much BS out there, coorprations spending huge amounts of money on organizations that have favorable catchy environmental names and yet preach anti environmental messages loaded with fear and distrust. The nuke industry being one ! And it appears so many in the first world are buying into it. Yet look closely at the third world and there is growing anger as these huge companies paying off third world officials. I see it in my trade,(water) where water rights are being bought up world wide, India, pakistan, everywhere and then charging farmers for the water something they have had for free for the last 10,000 years. Why? So these same industies can come in take over the land and plant indsurial farms. Does not matter , nuke, chemical, water and on and on we are seeing big business grab every last bit of what is left with little or no regaurd for the environment. Hopefully some day the whole world will scream enough to all of it.

No they feed the cattle organic jelly beans left over from the 80's, it's the sugar content ya know.
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Old 04-13-2005, 02:37 AM
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For those who speak french or italian or deutch, sorry i didn't find any link in english about it,
it explain the behaviour of the Cogema(=Areva) in other countries like Niger where Cogema extract Uranium

http://switzerland.indymedia.org/demix/2005/02/30524.shtml

that the way cogema produce necessary uranium to make fuel rod,
but i'm sure Cogema is not the only group to act as this, thinking they give job, risquy job, to people who won't have one without uranium extraction.

finally i find an article in english

http://www.antenna.nl/wise/602/5570.php

http://www.antenna.nl/wise/501/4942.html

have a good read
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I hpoe you bought stock in Tesoro and Valero when I told you!!!
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