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Old 03-14-2005, 02:18 PM
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WDFW Commission just got worse for fish

Latest on the commission. Looks like our new govenor is trolling for votes with people who want to wack and stack a lot of fish. Looks like the fisherman won and the fish loose big time. Get rid of the three most conservation minded commissioners. CG confirms everything I ever thought about her and I can't post it because I will get banned from the board.


Commissioners OUT:
Shroeder
Hunter
Tuck

Commissioners REMAINING:
Ozment
Roehl (both "confirmed" by Senate previously)
Shiosaka
Chew
McBrayer

Commissioners NEW:
Soleman (Save Our Kings)
Gutwiller (Forester)
Perry (Rangeland Expert)
Wecker (attorney supporting Willapa Bay and Forks issues)
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Old 03-14-2005, 02:55 PM
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Hmmm?

Hey, a Governor that's actually interested in participating in Fisheries management?? Willing to make changes? Maybe challenge the Status Quo?

That's what I was hoping for when I voted.
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She told us she was going to change the status quo as the AG too, and she never did. Why should we be surprised she is doing the same things she did as AG now that she is the gov?
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I'm not as pessemistic about this, JJ...I think that changes are definitely needed, and that this is a huge start...expect to see Dir. Koenings scanning the classifieds later this week for a new meal ticket, and that's certainly great news.

Also, the above list doesn't have Holly Ledgerwood on it, and I think she was not a very good Commissioner...her departure is a very good thing.

I've got conflicting reports about Shiosaki...up until this morning, they all said he was gone, too, but all of today's say that he is staying. It would be good if he were to go, too, so we'll have to see how it all comes out.

Losing Tuck and Hunter hurts, but we have an opportunity to get in the ground floor with the new Commissioners, and that opportunity has to be carefully, but fully, exploited, and then we'll see where we're at.

Information is slowly trickling in about the new Commissioners, and I'll post more when I hear more.

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Old 03-14-2005, 05:09 PM
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A govenor that gets rid of the conservation minded commission members for a crap shoot on the people. Tuck bad Shiosaki good is the message. Plus a lawyer that supported Forks, a rangeland expert (probably read cattle man). It sure looks like the writing is on the wall for conservation minded people. I hope I am wrong and all these people are conservation minded but looking who she got rid of I doubt it.

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From: Tony Floor


Gentlemen,



Some time today, the Governorís Office should issue a statement regarding new appointments to the Fish and Wildlife Commission. For many of us, we have worked on this kind of action since last summer. Governor Gregoire has no political capital, yet, she is willing to risk the hit of political disfavor in the name of taking the first step to restore and enhance greater recreational fishing opportunites for us.



This e-mail to you has a simple message. Please consider e-mailing your clientele to take a moment to send her Office a message supporting this bold action. It is unprecedented in Commission politics. With Clyde McBrayer as the fifth vote on a nine-member Commission, in theory, recreational fishing interests have the opportunity to gain ground we have lost under the leadership of Jeff Koenings and Will Roehl.



I urge you tell tell your membership and contacts, try to not focus on those who no longer serve on the commission, this is a new day and we have a golden opportunity. Gregoire took this risk because she believes in our issues. She wants change. She did not do this to enhance commercial fishing opportunities in Washington state.



Soon, the Fish and Wildlife Commission will be called into her office. She will lay down her agenda and we are off to the races. For those new commissioners who do not comprehend her agenda, or choose not to follow, they may want to update their resumes. I believe, this governor is the real deal for sport fishing interests. I hope that I am right. For some of us, I am anxious to begin building relationships with the new guard. I urge you to join me in this effort.



You can send your remarks to the Governorís Office (see her web page), or, directly to Elliot Marks, her fish advisor. Onward and upward. The train has left the station.



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Old 03-15-2005, 10:32 AM
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I am sure the NWMTA likes this. They got rid of some good conservationist on the commission for people we don't know. I doubt she got rid of conservationist and replaced them with Conservation minded folks.

Like I said fisherman have won and the fish look like they have lost.
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Here's a press release from the Governor's Office, with a little more information regarding the appointees...

http://www.governor.wa.gov/news/news...=27&newsType=1

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JJ maybe you just posted far too early because last I knew you were a good D. The fish are going to be far better off now. In any violent revolution you loose a few good men and women. But the king is about to loose his head and the new pawns look promising from what I've read. But yes more investigation must be done. I just love it that we got rid of a woman that was a member of the safari club.

JJ take a pill or eat a mushroom it's going to be all right.
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Reliable information (well, straight from the horse's mouth, actually) puts Solomon on a level similar to that of Tuck, but with perhaps an even more "expert" grasp on steelhead and salmon issues, due to her work with LLTK and the SWC...she also will be looking to a certain steelhead advocacy group for some guidance regarding steelhead...a group that I happen to think has some pretty good ideas!

I think Swecker is looking pretty good, too, but I'm holding off judgment until I hear some more.

Perry and Gutweiler are totally foreign to me...I don't know much about them at all, and can't seem to find any more information than what is in the above press release...we'll have to see.

Losing Ledgerwood, and clearing house at the Department...I think that both those things balance out the potential bad sides, and that I'm getting a little more optomistic...though still very cautious.

We'll see over the next couple of months how it really is going to go down...

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Shirley Solomon work with Skagit Watershed Council is second to none.

I believe she will put fish first, when the opportunity is there she will do the right thing for the sportsmen/woman of our state.

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I may have spoken too soon but three of the people she got rid of where good conservation minded people and I will hold judgement on these others until I see where they stand.

OC I have never and will never be a good D. Not saying I am always an R but I won't be a D. But I have found out some more info about why certain decision were made on who she kept and let go that make me loose even more respect (not much left) for the Govenor. I have come to the conclusion that all politicians are dirty it is just the amount of dirt on them that varies.

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This article kind of sums it up. She didn't even talk to at least one of the commission members whom she fired. Wonder why she did it? Wonder whom told her that Schroeder was bad and needed to get rid of him and Tuck but not Fred. Makes you wonder.

From the Peninsula Daily news
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sited/story/html/201463

Peninsula loses voice on Fish and Wildlife panel as Gregoire fires Schroeder
2005-03-16
by DARRICK MENEKEN

OLYMPIA -- In an unprecedented move, Gov. Christine Gregoire has fired four members of the state Fish and Wildlife Commission, the group responsible for setting state-wide fishing and hunting rules.

Dr. Pete Schroeder of Sequim, a marine mammal veterinarian whose expertise has been sought at national and international levels, was one of the members to get the proverbial ax.

``It just blows me away,'' Schroeder told the Peninsula Daily News by phone Tuesday night.

According to a news release distributed Tuesday by the governor's office, Schroeder -- the first commissioner from the North Olympic Peninsula in more than a decade -- is being replaced by Charles Perry of Moses Lake.

``Yeah, that's right close to the Olympic Peninsula, isn't it,'' Schroeder said, his voice simultaneously tense and disappointed.

``I can't believe it. Nobody on the commission can understand it and I can't understand it.''

Appointed last summer

Schroeder was appointed to the nine-member commission last summer by then-Gov. Gary Locke and was to fill a position left open when former Commissioner Russ Cahill stepped down.

Schroeder's term was scheduled to expire Dec. 31, 2006.

``I was very disappointed that Pete was released because I thought that he was an excellent member of the commission,'' Will Roehl, one of the current commissioners who survived Gregoire's housecleaning, said Tuesday night.

Roehl, former chair of the commission, said neither he nor current chair Ron Ozment were notified prior to the governor's official word.

``I was taken by surprise,'' he said. ``I thought we had a really good mix on the commission.

``I'm sure the governor has appointed some really good people but I don't know anything about them other than their names.''

Along with Perry replacing Schroeder, Jerry Gutzwiler of Wenatchee replaces John Hunter of Cashmere, Miranda Wecker of Naselle replaces Kenneth Chew of Seattle, and Shirley Solomon of Mount Vernon replaces Holly Ledgerwood of Pomeroy.

Commissioners are paid $100 a day plus expenses, and typically work two to three days each month.

No explanation

Gregoire gave no explanation for the drastic change, a move that empowers four inexperienced commissioners less than a month before an April 8-9 meeting at which statewide hunting rules will be decided.

The future of sport crabbing rules -- an issue that has drawn heated debate around the Olympic Peninsula -- is set to be shaped in May.

``These appointments represent my administration's strong commitment to the sustainable use of our natural resources,'' the governor stated in a news release.

But the question of how educated the incoming commissioners will be about current issues facing the policy-making body is pressing.

``At the very best it's an awfully short period of time to orient these folks,'' Ozment said.

``It puts the commission in a bit of a dilemma.''

He said he knows of no similar mass commission overhaul ever taking place.

Makah fishing connection?

When asked, Ozment added that he believes the move has nothing to do with the recent controversy over Makah tribal salmon fishing.

``There is so much speculation and rumor out there, no I don't think so,'' he said.

``As far as this Makah issue is concerned, people need to just settle down . . . stop the rumor-mongering and finger-pointing.''

Schroeder, 69, is a consultant to the Navy and NOAA Fisheries and is active in habitat restoration and conservation efforts in both Clallam and Jefferson counties.

He was the first commissioner from the North Olympic Peninsula since Dr. James M. Walton ended his service 11 years ago.

Killer whale specialist

Schroeder is best known for his work with killer whales and was the lead veterinarian during the 2002 rehabilitation of Springer, an orphaned orca calf rescued from Puget Sound, treated and released back to the wild.

He has also consulted Canadian officials about their orca work.

``I think the time I spent [on the commission] was extremely productive,'' Schroeder said Tuesday.

``If it would have been down time or a tough time, [my dismissal] wouldn't have been so tough to take.''

He found out about it last week for the first time and said he was never given a chance to comment or speak with the governor, who he met in person a couple of years ago while she was attorney general.

When Schroeder was appointed to the commission last year, Gregoire sent him a letter of congratulations, he said.

Ozment noted the lack of communication -- the governor not seeking commission input before making her decision -- is a concern.

``I wish it could have been done a little differently,'' he said.

``It is the governor's prerogative.''

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Way I see it is the Gov dumped those not yet confirmed by the Senate. If your going to make change that's how you do it. We got important things to take care of and if you went after those officially on the commission it's a long haul. If her main objective is conservation first and how can you beleive it is not when Oregon from the gov down through their entire system is mostly conservation minded and our Governor took notice. Yes we lost a couple of good folks but got at least two their equal and I'm willing to bet we got four who know what direction the gov wants to move. First off we would never have won the statewide C&R because the commission we had could not stand up to the pressure of Forks and to the anti C&R stand of WDFG. We will now have a new head of F&G and hopefully some early retirement from those in the upper reaches of WDFG that we all loath. The Governors intention will be to move the F&G to a more conservation fish freindly department. For the first time real science will be practiced similiar to what the WSC and other objective groups use.

The way I see it this has to be some big time morale booster to all those younger F&G employees we talk with that hate what their department had become.

Hey JJ if Rossi your buddy had become Gov and pulled this wonderful move I would have been the first one to congradulate him. Also this has a lot more than just steelhead in importance just look around at what the commission got accomplished over the last 4 years and it is not very good over the entire spectrum.

Catch & release now has the chance to become statewide because we will have not only groups like the WSC on the right side but it's looking more like we will have a WDFG on our side also. That is the only way the commission can stand up to the Mayor of Forks and her little minded local pols.

It still is not going to be easy because the republicans and the commercials are in bed together, you know all about that. The fight has just begun.
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JJ agreeing with the commentator from the Peninsula Daily News?

I better check my eyes - I'd swear a Pig just flew by my office window!
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