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Old 07-15-2004, 02:17 PM
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Fellow tier’s,

Flytyer had some great posts recently on Bombers, Waller Waker’s and the Riffle Dancer. Just wondered if anyone out their uses Classic Atlantic patterns for their fishing, ether for Steelhead or Salmon. I use some once in a great while on the Gaspe. If you do, lets see some of the ones you use. Or if you just tied a few up and haven’t used them. I know there are some fantastic tiers on the board. So let’s see. Here are a few of mine. The Lady Amherst, Ray Mead and Orange Parson.

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Old 07-15-2004, 02:45 PM
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Those are beautiful fies Charlie. Too pretty for here on the west coast. It would be a shame to get them caught up in some gear guys garbage and lose them. Plus with my casting, I am just too brutal to put anything that nice on the end of my line. Very nice indeed.
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Old 07-15-2004, 03:31 PM
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Old 07-15-2004, 03:44 PM
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Nothing is too pretty for a steelhead. Why show a steelhead anything less than the best?

Nice flies and I am slowly teaching myself to tie them. It is quite the art.

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Old 07-15-2004, 08:47 PM
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Charlie,

Sweet ties!!!

I have spent a very small amount of time throwing full dress classics for steelhead. They work as good, or bad, as anything out there.

My first handful of Atlantics all came to full dress Green Highlander, Jock Scott, or Silver Doctor. Still fish them when I get a chance.

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Old 07-15-2004, 09:02 PM
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Charlie--

Like you, I tie and fish classics. So what if I lose a fly to a rock, crowned stump, tree, etc., they were designed for fishing and they are still rather effective. Instead of the Ray Mead, I like the Eden Bulldog with its blue instead of yellow body and orange tag. I also fish a Ray Mead style fly that I put a red/blue instead of yellow/black wing on and a hot pink tag, red floss body, and dyed red mallard collar. It has caught several winter steelhead. The Purple Emperer is one of my favorite winger steelhead flies and I fish it from December to the end of April. Kelson's Kate is another one i like a lot for winter steelhead.

I also use several of the old strip wing classics in the summer. Silver Blue, Logie, Jockie, Alder, Bumbee, March Brown (Pryce-Tannat version) and Blue Charm tied true low-water style on the beautifully made #4, 6,and 8 Daiichi Veverka Low Water hook or #5, 7,and 9 Daiichi Alec Jackson river Dee Low-water hook (these are the same hook and identical sizes) model #2131 are very effective summer steelhead flies, including when hitched.

I've also found Kelson's Sun Fly (red version), Blue Boyne, Black Prince, Bo Peep tied on #8 and #10 hooks work in bright sun during mid-day in low water. Something about the way a topping wing looks in the water is I'm sure why these work in low water

I suspect the reason the classics are not fished by more people is the time it takes to learn and develop the tying skills to tie them well. You certainly have developed them. Very nice work.

Here is a #10 Bo Peep taken out of my fly box.
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Old 07-15-2004, 09:07 PM
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Here's a low-water Stardust.
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Old 07-15-2004, 09:10 PM
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Here's a low-water Bumbee.
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Old 07-16-2004, 10:34 AM
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Very nice, I especially like that Bo Peep, very nice looking Fly. Sean and William, you should put up some pics of yours. I’m sure everyone would be interested. As for the gear guys that Matt talks about, most of the ones in my area of the Great Lakes use the float rods with Very light line. When they get in my way and I inadvertently hook their line, one good pull with my 12-15lb. tippet and they are suddenly gearless. Boy do they hate that!

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Old 07-17-2004, 05:03 AM
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I always enjoy asking a salmon angler what would be his choice of fly for a day, if only allowed one pattern.
The answer always amuses me, as almost each time the choice is different, and the favourite is declared.
The renowned Hugh Falkus once said that if he had to choose just one fly, it would have to be a "black one", like the stoats tail, or silver stoat.
Just this week I met Peter Anderson in the West of Ireland, (a man held in high regard on this side of the world, for a lifetime dedicated to casting and fishing), and asked him the same question. He quickly replied without hesitation, "the thunder and lightening of course, best fly in the world for salmon".
Over the course of many years, what I consider to be a cross-section of fine anglers, I have had a wide range of favourites nominated as "the one".
My conclusions are as follows, firstly there is a regional variation, and there is no doubt that certain patterns work better in particular areas, or on certain river systems. An example of this is that in all the years I have fished the River Moy the "cascade" has never failed me, and over the same time I have never landed a salmon to the "cascade" on Galway Weir, and only an hour seperates them.
Secondly, I am totally convinced that when we fish a favourite fly, we fish with a lot more confidence, and as a result fish better, hence the success rate improves.
I am well aware of plenty of exceptions to this, as quite often I have pulled something new out of the fly box and had success, or thrown every fly in the box at them, and drawn a blank.
My own personal approach consists of six flies, all tied in different sizes(6-14) to accomodate different water levels. Three shrimp, and three hairwing. In no particular order, as all have saved my day on different occasions.......
Cascade
Black and Gold
Yellow Ally
Willie Gunn
Gary Dog
Munroe Killer
If one of these doesn`t succeed, a blank is usually on the cards.
Will get them photo`s up as soon as possible.
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Charlie,

Here's a Kelson Floodtide on a Partridge Bartleet CS10/03 Blind Eye #1/0. Yes, I fish it as it is tied on the blind-eye hook, and this one came out of one of my stock boxes. I use 15# or 20# braided mono for the eye loop. The additional action the blind eye hook provides is worth the extra time to put the braided loop on it.
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Old 07-19-2004, 09:52 AM
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Very, very nice! I just got some of the Braided mono and am looking foreword to using it. I have some Gut. But most of it is old and very brittle. I think it would probably hold a fish if I soaked it, but I still don’t trust it.

Peter,

Looking foreword to seeing what you put up!

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Old 07-19-2004, 03:32 PM
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Charlie,

Gut is the traiditional material used for the blind eyes since that was the best available material prior to nylon monofilament, and it is OK; however, it doesn't hold up nearly as well nor is it as strong as braided mono. Also, if you fish a fly tied with a gut eye, you must soak it until the gut becomes pliable or it is brittle and highly prone to breakage.

We use nylon and polyester tying threads and synthetics dubbings on our classic salmon flies, why not use braided mono instead of twisted gut? The braided mono looks good, has a similar translecency, it easier to work with, is stronger, and holds up much better. The only thing to keep in mind if tying a fly for fishing on a blind eye hook is too make sure the gut or braided mono (some folks use 20# dacron fly line backing; but it is too soft for my tastes and acts very differentyly than gut or braided mono as a result of its softness) is lashed down at least 3/4 of the hook's shank length to eliminate the possiblity of its slipping or pulling loose when fighting a fish.
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Flytyer,

I was interested in how you attach a blind eye fly to your leader. Loop to give it more action, or tight not such as a clinch?

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Charlie,

I just use a clinch knot. The braided loop creates a flexible joint to the fly so there is no need for any other attachment.
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