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Old 07-08-2004, 07:49 AM
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I am serious folks, how about a Neah Bay or Sekiu conclave whereby we visit annually to join forces to solve the riddle of consistent kings on the fly in the saltchuck!


Pooling expenses in gas, lodging, food, kicker boat rentals, etc.
Increased safety on the water - buddy system.
Great Saturday dinner event potentials, eat like kings (pun intended) for $10 each
Good friends and fun in the fresh air
Most importantly... share each others findings about this enigmatic fishery

This is not like a steelhead river with finite room on the shore and a limited potential, this is the open sea and things are in a state of change from minute to minute. Finding threads of consistency is a challenge but the rewards are huge.

Many of our forum claves have become annual events and the knowledge accumulates. I see this as the perfect situation for an annual clave because no matter how much we talk about it on line it will not change the fishery or the crowding, etc. At most it would change the ratio of trollers and moochers to fly guys out there.

It's also a seasonal outing, with some application to blackmouth but our clave would target the peak of the mature kings into their pre-spawn locations in summer and early fall.

We can always fall back on coho... no resist the temptation... fight it...

What are people's opinions? Should I book tickets now?
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Old 07-08-2004, 12:38 PM
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Down in Baja 30 to 45 feet is pretty standard for me for yellowfin. Cast upcurrent with a depthcharge/teeny/deepsea line, feed line and let the line come under the boat. Fly selection is important too. Surf Candies or other epoxy flies with tungsten cones are my go to for the super deep. After all the work to get down there, don't rush bringing it back...
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Old 07-08-2004, 04:25 PM
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In no particular order,

Mattzoid, Give it a try and let us know. It sounds good.

Prouse, I have found flies with long feather wings to foul on either side of the hook and spin on the line. Anyone else?

Juro, very interested. I know it's alot further to travel but my uncle has a marine campsite near Port Hardy which could be very affordable. " Dudley's Cove "
We've been working on an idea where he can taxi 4 or 5 pontoon boats around from hole to hole and each can fish from their pontoon boat. Just a thought

Cheers N I
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Old 07-08-2004, 06:00 PM
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Hey Juro,

Remember Roy? He's been experimenting with fishing for Kings out of Neah Bay with flies and is even interested trying for them with poppers.

I know that the Kings do come into the top 30' of water often, esp around dawn and dusk.

In fact, a 58lb fish was taken this past weekend off Waadah Island on a herring/downrigger combo. The downrigger was set between 30 and 35'.
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Old 07-08-2004, 11:34 PM
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No need for any super fancy spliced this and spliced that. Grab a Rio Deep 7 Hypersink (the standard Deep 7 is great for coho) and you can throw it on a rod as small as a 8 and have it at it.

If you can set up your drift, make the properly angled cast, throw in some pseudo-stack mends, you can get to 30' without an issue.

btw-A late summer/early Fall without a visit from you and trip to Sekiu just isn't the same. Get your ass out here, clave or no clave.
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Old 07-13-2004, 06:42 PM
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northfork is right that the depths required are not that difficult (with the right weather).
also, don't forget that trollers cover tons of water and flashers attract fish from a distance.... so depths and places trollers kill fish do not always translate to flies (take popular coho spots the trollers like... often they are terrible fly spots).

also, don't ignore the places that hold the most fish. while the shorelines offer some structure and small boats can reach them... in washington state they do not hold the large numbers of fish. just like coho, offshore is where you are going to find the largest number of kings actively feeding at all levels (and time of day is less critical).

tied with lots of bucktail surrounding them, long feather tails shouldn't foul (not a problem on half and halfs for me).

i'm not sure that kings can ever be figured out like coho, but they offer a real challenge, especially considering that not only do you have to find kings within reach but the ocean weather has to cooperate (hard to dredge with a 15-30 knot wind). a client last summer got a hog to hand while fishing coho with one of those half and half's.

good luck this summer... i'm looking forward to the upcoming coho fishing. the coho are much bigger this summer (no pinks....yeah).

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Old 07-14-2004, 06:02 PM
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Mike and I are looking for another "Hog" next weekend!!! (Maybe I will be the fortunate one this time! See you on the 25th!

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Old 07-15-2004, 12:45 AM
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tube flies for salty kings

in homer, alaska we have been trolling tube flies for kings and find they fish as well and many times better than herring plugs.we have done some limited "flyfishing" but wasnt able to get the line down quick enough.i like matts idea and may have to give it a try.
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