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Old 04-08-2004, 01:56 PM
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Flats Logic #6

The previous question established that at least in this track of thinking, the presence of fish (more importantly understanding the behavior of stripers to maximize your encounters with fish) is the most important factor. All the presentation, pattern, and ambient light, favorable wind, breakfast in the world will not get you a fish in the wrong spot at the wrong time.


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Of all the factors for success on the flats, what is the second most important factor after "presence of fish"?
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Old 04-08-2004, 02:22 PM
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The stage of the tide.
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Stage of the tide . From the previous question we have established that the presence of fish was number one so the next thing would be the stage of the tide. Fishhawk
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:11 PM
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I'd say the activity level of the fish that are present...or in more specific terms, the attitude of the fish. Tight-lipped bass aren't impossible to catch, but hungry and active fish will make for a better outing.
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Not to be redundant, but it would have to be the tide if the fish are already there.
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:24 PM
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O.K. Lets say "Being in the right place at the right time".

Stage of tide alone is meaningless. I've caught fish at all stages of the tide - but never all in the same LOCATION.

p.s. I think "Presence of fish" is a stretch since that is the prime factor in ANY fishing situation - not just on the flatz
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flats bass seem to me to be the pickiest so I would say choice of fly comes second after presence of fish. I'm assuming that I am not standing in the path of the fish either so if that assumption is incorrect then I would make that the second most important.
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Sorry if I have not been clear.

Please let me explain...

By saying that the "presence of fish" is most important, I was trying to say three things:

1) It's most important that the angler's actions relate to fish behavior to put himself in front of fish

e.g. Many anglers will randomly pick a spot at a convenient time of day while meticulously picking a fly. Yet such fly will do nothing unless the fish will be at that spot. Yet later that same day, every fly in his box could catch a fish.

Indeed presence of fish is important in any fishing venue but that does not make it untrue on the flats

2) If the angler's thinking does not start with "where are the fish going to be right now?" then all the presentation, pattern in the world will do no good, or at least it will be left to pure luck.

Everything is perfect. The wind, the sun, your casting, your fly... but where are the fish? Somewhere at this very moment a horde of angrily feeding submarine bass are tearing up a flat... where might that be? What leads you there?

3) The biggest return on your investment of study time comes from knowing where the fish are going to be based on:

- time of year
- time of day
- TIDE
- bait situation
- environmental conditions (temperature, oxygen, etc)
- predatory threats
- habitual behavior based on above
- combinations of the above
- vested knowledge from study of these factors

So to be clear, the phase of tide is just one of the key elements in maximizing the "presence of fish".

Once again, when I say "presence of fish" it does not just mean dumb luck has fallen in your favor (although it could ). What I meant by this is that an angler is best off studying and understanding how to put himself in the most likely place and time to be where the fish are going to be.

The best presentation, fly in the universe can not catch a fish on a barren flat.

Once again, IMHO - what is the second most important thing to prioritize out there?
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O.K. - lack of 'crowds'.

Its a personal thing, but I don't have much interest in sight casting to fish that have run the guantlet of fifteen, twenty or more rods before they get to me. I may miss out on those 'biblical' schools of fish, but knowing that mine will be the first fly a fish sees that day is a nice thought.
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If I see fish are present then the next thing would be 'what are they eating' (so I can choose the fly for their next meal).
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Itís like real estate...location, location, location. Knowing where the fish are going to be so you can put yourself the correct spot to present the fly in a natural manner.
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Originally posted by Paxton
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Given you've put yourself in front of fish successfully, or by pure luck (which is just as good) - consider this:

A sloppy presentation works great under certain conditions, while perfect presentations fail in other situations. Therefore this mystery factor must be more important than even the ever-critical "presentation".

So Sean, you missed one. There is no trinity.

I started to play this mystery card heavily recently and it has made a big difference in success for time spent.
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