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Old 02-26-2004, 09:40 PM
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10 weight recommendations

I'm looking for a 10 weight rod/reel and would like some input. This will be for a wide variety of fish including king salmon, cuda, jacks, striper, blues, tarpon, etc. Some of the rods I have considered include T3, RPLXi closeouts and Redington Nti rods. The reels I have thought about include Nautilus, Pate Tarpon and Ross BG 5. I am certainly open to any suggestions though. I will probably buy used to get the most bang for the buck. Any suggestions you offer will help me make a decision as I keep my eye open for used equipment. FWIW, I already have 5, 8 and 14 weights for other fishing.
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Old 02-27-2004, 08:38 AM
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Around here the RPXLi is the standard by which all others are judged. Sweet rod.

I had a chance to fish an Xi2 12-weight last fall and was extremely impressed...might want to cast one of those too.

I would go to the shop and cast them all with a variety of lines including heavy grain heads and see what you think.
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Old 02-27-2004, 09:19 AM
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Boy there are so many out there in this line class I like, but the one I own now and would recommend is the Sage 10wt 4-pc VPS (formerly RPL). It travels well, casts beautifully and is an all-around steal due to price reductions I assume because of newer model arrivals. The RPL was recently the flagship rod for Sage, it hasn't lost anything since the new rods came on the scene. Mine is not for sale

Recently at the winter fly shows I cast the T&T 10wts with Trevor Bross and can attest to the silk-smooth action yet fierce line speed of their saltwater rods, aesthetics fit for a king... but you're not likely to find one used as people hang on to them forever. I will be buying myself a new T&T for stripers this year, but the hard part is I have to decide which one!

Another rod that blew me away was Temple Fork's Lefty Kreh 10wt... holy crap and for a mid-boggling price. Mike Mayo and I were firing casts at the Danbury show with looks of amazement on our faces, and I thought I saw Lefty smiling in our direction. (BTW - TFO has just joined the ranks of premier fly fishing companies who sponsor the Worldwide Flyfishing Forum, please join us in welcoming them to the family!)

Good luck w/ your decision!
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Old 02-27-2004, 09:29 AM
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My remarks are similar to Juro's re: T & T and TFO. I'll probably be a T & T man for life (though I think an Atlantis is in my sights for next year) just due to my experience with the rods and the people at T & T, but the TFO rods have come quite some distance in the somewhat recent past and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anything in that price range of comparable quality all-around (which is TFO's goal, I believe). Their rods are pretty quick and have decent hardware. In many cases you may pay less for a new rod than you would for a premium used model.

If price is no big deal, I'd look for a T & T Horizon.

As for a good, inexpensive reel, take a look at the Lamson Velocity series. Relatively cheap, very reliable, light, and you might find one of the closeout reels (they recently changed the body but left the guts alone) for a few bucks below the updated version.
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Old 02-27-2004, 11:30 AM
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If price is an object, try and pick up a used Sage RPLX 1090-3, especially if you are going to be throughing Teeny-type sinktip lines. No one has addressed reels. Except for tarpon, all the fish you seem to be interested in can be handled quite well with a Pate Bonefish reel. To me, that, as opposed to the Tarpon model, reel balances very well with the RPLX 1090-3. I had both reels and thought the Tarpon was too heavy. I used the Bonefish/1090-3 RPLX combination for years fishing for stripers from a boat. If you are patient, you should be able to pick a used outfit for less than $700 on eBay. My $0.02.
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Old 02-27-2004, 11:51 AM
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Two notes, with all due respect and no malicious intent:

The Lamson V series is a great deal and performs wonderfully but if you change spools in the field you should consider other designs that do not involve the spindle and drag assy exposed while 'hot-swapping'. Even the slightest exposure to salt moisture gets trapped back inside the "sealed" drag assy and will result in corrosion. If you plan on using one line and not swapping spools, it's a fantastic choice. I love mine, but it is in need of serious re-work internally despite my careful treatment.

My BG reels exhibited a similar situation with it's 99.9% sealed drag. Over the course of the season the unreachable chamber in the drag assy accumulated salt dampness and developed a layer of corrosion that prevented the drag from getting fully backed off. Everything else functioned properly, but upon visual inspection there was quite a bit of corrosion in the assy. I am having the factory refurbish it.

Nautilus is promising because it uses the same design as the Sage reels - the spindle and drag is permanently attached and the spools is just a 'shell' over the drag mechanism. Changing spools never exposes anything, so there is no invasion as a result of swapping. The reel is very new on the market but I like the design and it's lack of vulnerability. We'll know soon enough if it will stand the test of time.

The Pate Tarpon is a high maintenance cork drag but for the trouble you get premium performance. In other words I am optimistic that sealed drags will deliver on the promise of care-free performance very soon, but performance can not be compromised so a little care is worth it until the sealed drag revolution catches up to itself. Islander falls into this category, as do many other "classic" tropical saltwater reels where spool swapping is uncommon.

But if you are in that price range you should loop at Loop Evotec, which has the drool factor as well

As far as rods -

I too owned the 1090-3 RPLX and sold it after three outings. This rod is a great rod for moving fish and pushes the envelope for tarpon and other big gamefish with a 10wt rod but it simply has no sweetness in it as far as flex goes and the only way to cast it is it force the stroke with arm strength. I am primarily a shore angler (by preference and necessity) and I do not find this to be a good rod for "searching", casting a lot to try to determine the presence of fish.

It would be a great run and gun big fish rod where you don't cast very often but need a real stick to move fish vertically from a boat.

But everyone's different, and most of this is just personal taste. Again good luck!
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Old 02-27-2004, 12:03 PM
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Just to follow up, Juro may well be correct about fishing from shore. I do very little shore fisihing. I use the RPLX 1090-3 with a 450 grain Teeny-type sinking tip from a boat. I do some blind casting, but most of my casting is to fish I can see or under diving birds. The 450 grain tip is a bit on the heavy side for the rod, but I find it pretty easy to cast, so long as I am careful. With a wind at my back, an open loop takes the whole line with one false cast. That, for me, is an achievement.
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Old 02-27-2004, 12:22 PM
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Thanks for all the responses. I hope to get some more as I am taking notes here. Part of my problem (and you are the solution) is that I live above the arctic circle and the nearest fly shop is hundreds of miles away. You are my eyes, ears & arms.

I should have mentioned that I already have a Pate Bonefish reel and like it alot. I don't think it's appropriate for tarpon but it would be ok for most of the other species. However, it would already be rigged up on my Nti 8 weight so it's a moot point.

The Lefty Kreh rods have piqued my interest but I've heard so little about them. Keep the comments coming please.
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Old 02-27-2004, 12:37 PM
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Smolt, I totally agree - the use you cited for the rod is ideal for it, in fact IMHO that usage is why the rod was so popular in it's day especially on the rocky coastlines of Maine and the North Shore, etc. If I were on board with you I'd prefer that setup as well!
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Old 02-27-2004, 03:32 PM
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The replies have been interesting thus far. I expected the RPLXi to come in strong. I have wondered about the Lefty Kreh rods but have not heard much about them besides advertising. A surprise to me was hearing how much enthusiasm you have for the T&T rods. I shouldn't be surprised to hear good things about T&T or Winston but I always am? I guess I just don't see them much on the water. I also would have thought the T3 and Nti rods would have gotten comments.

As to reels, I haven't given much thought to the Evotec. Perhaps I should but I wonder how much of that is your spey background? I handled the BG reels in Bass Pro and thought they had admirable qualities and workmanship. I can't comment on their durability vs. sealed drag. I defer to you on that point. The word on Nautilus is very good at this point. Time will tell. I've never thought of the Pate reels as high maintenance so I need to do more research on that.

The search goes on...
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Old 02-27-2004, 06:27 PM
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In addition to the very fine T&T (the rod I would chose) and Sage rods that have already been mentioned, the Loomis GLX 10 wt saltwater and the Lamiglas IM700 10 wt are very fine casting rods. A Sage would be the easiest to find on the used market, the T&T and GLX are far less common on the used market.
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Old 02-27-2004, 07:12 PM
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Yukon -

RPLXi rods have been discontinued, so I guess to your point used would be a great buy for a great rod used. In fact my favorite single hand saltwater flyrods (single handers, not double) are my Rplxi's in 8wt and 9wt, truth be told. But since Sage didn't decide to continue with them I wasn't about to toot that horn and suggested current models instead. Too bad, they were great rods as were the original RPL series. Sage is so popular because they do such a damn good job building durable high performance rods, well suited to saltwater fishing.

I spend most of the good tide changes on the coastal FF scene along the Cape Cod shoreline and very rarely have I seen a T3 outside of a shop or a show. The way they set up the tapers and flex points on those rods did not fit my casting style at all. I would have to guess that a percentage of other anglers agree based on how few seem to be in use on the beach.

T&T is pretty popular in the Horizon and Vector series out here just based on passing observation at the dock, shore or flat. Fine rods they are indeed. I love the way they load up and feel in the hands, I hope to add one to my arsenal this season.

The problem is as always... too many choices, too little time
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Old 02-27-2004, 08:51 PM
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I've got RPLXi and Horizon 10 weights, and prefer the T&T hands down.
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Old 02-27-2004, 09:53 PM
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I've got RPLXi and Horizon 10 weights, and prefer the T&T hands down.
That's very interesting. Can you be more specific. Are you saying that you don't like the Sage or the T&T blows it away? What kind of fishing do you use it for? How do you compare the T&T to other rods? Thanks.
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Old 02-27-2004, 10:09 PM
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I own a Horizon, though not the 10-wt., though I have cast one. It's quite fast, and I can't really think of another rod with that kind of speed; I've cast the Xi2 and it seemed a tad slower, but I must admit that it's one sweet rod. I personally wouldn't say that the T & T blows the Xi2 away, however I prefer it to the Xi2. In my hands, the Horizon generates greater line speed (this was with shooting heads, which is what I use at all times); this fact alone puts it out in front of the Xi2 for me, as I like a fast casting stroke. I suppose I'm one of those freaks that likes to send the line over the horizon (no pun intended), and the Horizon just gets it done better. My casts with the Horizon were more accurate, also, though this may have something to do with the fact that the Xi2 couldn't get me as far as I hoped. In the hands of the right person, I'm sure the rod is capable of going further. I suppose that the bottom line is: cast them both before you buy one.
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