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Old 02-10-2004, 10:54 AM
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9 inch long herring on an 8/0 trey Combs big game. Super huge spreader....only one spreader. The tail is tyed traditionally with flashaobou, Olive Rooster cock extends about an inch for the tail. Then White saddles tye high and low... then inner angel hair with 6 applications of white rooster, then 4 applications of pale blue rooster cock (3 and 2 on each side)... topped with long thin blue saddle on top.
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:55 AM
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Here is the top down in hand...this fly is very light. and will be used during the spring herring run.
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Old 02-11-2004, 06:43 AM
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Like to see that fly in action. FishHawk
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Old 02-12-2004, 07:50 AM
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That was fast!

That top profile tells it all... most flies lack the real fish look, that design says "super-size it".

The mack you tie with the grizzly must also look very good from the top / bottom. One of the troubles I see a lot with mack patterns is getting the torpedo shape and diameter of tinkers.

To quote the pengiun... "nice stuff Johny scissorhandz"
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Old 02-12-2004, 08:20 PM
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As long as we're playing with BIG herring...

I've been messin' with tubes again...
The general appearance is getting there but...
I'm still not too happy about the hook placement, which seems a bit far behind the head...trying ideas to move it forward a bit but inthemeantime...
Here's a BIG HerringTubePhly (12")...
Suggestions are now being accepted...
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Old 02-12-2004, 10:14 PM
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A thing of beauty Pete! Although I can't vouch for the authenticity of the 12" unless you actually send one to me for an official measurement (quiet ROOP!)
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Old 02-12-2004, 10:17 PM
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Awesome, Pete! Looks like the long winter on the Cape has inspired you. So can you share the method to this magnificence? It is a very interesting looking fly.

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Old 02-12-2004, 11:07 PM
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Lightbulb Fuzzy notions...R&D...

That's how they start...
Thanks for the kind words but, complimenting me is like feeding a stray cat!

Juro...gimme' a user friendly Atlantis Herring Launcher course and, instead of an apple, it's yours...

Doc...I've got a slick HMH tube tye device and a Nor-Vise Tube Fly Head...both work well....in spite of me...
I've found some "auto air shock" high pressure nylon hose that supports the thread compression and fits the jig...sofarsogood!
Figuring on a 2 inch tube with a little extra up front for the head and at the rear for the soft tube that holds the hook eye in place.
I dress the tube with some body braid and start layering feathers fur and flash while blending colours...sorta' freestyle tying?!
I don't start with a set procedure but build up the body with whatever seems to insinuate the desired bait shape and shade.
There's some deciever/flat wing/hi tye/low tye/hollow tye...a real pound pup but I hesitate to say it's an original because as soon as I do I'll have to fall on my vise AGAIN! (ain't pretty!)

When pounced on by a hungry striped Schnauzer, the hook should separate as the tube slides up the leader reducing any leverage and structural distress...

I'm working on getting the hook closer to the head...shorter shank, etc...some ideas to play out but that's the phun part...R&D

Come visit Area 61 and we can tye up a storm and if you bring phood I'll show you the secret hand shake! SOON!
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Old 02-12-2004, 11:18 PM
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The hook separation is an important thing in steelhead country, in fact the use of more sticky hook shapes like the Nordic single is a major advantage in holding on to what you hook - but in our neck of the woods it can spell BITE-OFF.

I've had a blue deftly remove a tube fly while another was on the hook. Thinking I was clever, I hid a steel leader thru the tube so blue #1 was not getting away. Unfortunately blue #2 saw the flailing tube fly and came over for a bite!

Methods to keep things intact include round toothpicks, rubber bands. The toothpick is inserted and snapped off flush.

Tubes offer creative ways to extend flies beyond the shank of the hook, allowing for longer bodies like squid mantles.

Nice stuff!
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Old 02-12-2004, 11:29 PM
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Thumbs up Tooth picks...Interesting!

I hadn't really thought through the marauding Blue scenario!
Initially I'll be using these way up the creeks in Herringland and hopefully I won't be singing the Blues!
Points well taken!
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Old 02-13-2004, 12:39 AM
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Pete..that looks perfect!... I will want to see this tube devise since I want to look into tying that way as well.
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Thumbs up We Be Toyz!!!

John...
The HMH tube fly kit comes with several (3) different size mandrils to support various size tubes and can be used on any good rotary vise...That's my best pick!
The Nor-Vice tube phly head is sweet but you need the Nor-Vise to hang it on...'only comes with one rather stout mandril...gotta' improvise!
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hey Pete, do you tie in a keel or any thig to make sure the fly rides right? On these bigger tube flys, I'm concerned that the weight of the hook might not be enough. I have tied some big flys and not had problems, but I was wondering if you do anything special. Do you use junction tube? Nice flys.
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Old 02-13-2004, 01:52 PM
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Pete,

Done! I'll bring food, wine or whatever...but these flies are amazing. Obviously, being cooped up on the Cape all winter has not harmed your fly tying skills.

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Old 02-13-2004, 02:10 PM
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Wink IMHO...as a few drowned phlys will testify...

The eye of the hook is held in place by a small piece of soft "junction" tube with the hook point in the down position...
In the case of larger flys, I try to make the top of the fly longer and the hydrodynamic drag factors cause it to swim upright...
Drag it at higher speeds (trolling or manic retieve) and all bets are off as even a brick will plane...'still game for macs, tuna, and other toothy swift preditors.
'Same idea when I tye my PharSide hook-up phlys...normal retrieve and the high tyed material causes drag which convinces the fly to ride upright.

I'll bring a few of these to Wilmington for show-and-tell

You're ON, Doc! 'Will tye for phood!
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