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Old 01-09-2004, 01:08 PM
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Sparse Hollow Flye

After watching last night, I had done some basic Pop Hollow flyes, but I was really interested with doing the sparse ones that Bob did.. I found them harder to do than the thicker ones but like them much better. This one is before a hot water wet down. Next time I will have to make the chartreuse front a bit longer. This fly DOES take practice but well worth it.
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Old 01-09-2004, 01:38 PM
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I had the pleasure of picking Bob Pop's brain on this pattern while at Danbury during a quiet period when no one else was around. Quality time for sure, in fact I know exactly how I will be getting the spring blueback chasers on the fly this April.

The reverse flared hair can be repeated as many times as you need to to keep the hollow body going, thus I plan to tie 10-12" herring flies with this body style.
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Old 01-09-2004, 05:02 PM
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Right..he indicated that you should have a minimum of three..this one has 4
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Old 01-09-2004, 07:21 PM
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Here is one with Peacock herl at the top.
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Old 01-09-2004, 07:33 PM
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I have tied some nice ones with only one bunch. Sparse with great profile. I have been trying to mix colors (dark on top) and find that subltle blends (ala KA.) work well. One day I will figure out how to post pix...that would be cool.
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Old 01-09-2004, 11:09 PM
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Eddie...Please don't tell me you are counting bucktail strands.... My eyes wont let me do that. ... seriously though..I have been trying some small ones as well with one clump or two clumps... anxious to try them this spring. ( Even if schoolies usually hit anything that moves).
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Old 01-10-2004, 07:44 AM
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John -

My discussion with Bob was concerning methods of extending the body and thus the area on which to tie addtional flares.

He described a method of twisting monofilament with two vises, which sounded ideal and more flexible.

Since I have experience tying tube flies, I asked about using a nylon tube extension. He thought it would be fine and I plan on using this method for adding length/extra flares to attain the 10-12" profile I need.
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Old 01-10-2004, 09:09 AM
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Steve Farrar, a very talented tier from Joizey uses a stiff mono extension to get extra length. There's an example of his pattern on the Atlantic Saltwater Flyfishers site.

I think Steve was tying at the Marlboro show last year, I don't remember which booth he was on but the flies were extremely impressive.
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Old 01-10-2004, 07:15 PM
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I bought some aluminium tubes last spring to try this. Never got arround to it. I think that the plastic tubes combined with the bouyant bucktail might make the fly float funny. Of course the metal tubes might be HEAVY....DUCK!
I think that this technique might work better for cigar shaped bait (like macs and pollock) but maybe not as good for herring.
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Old 01-10-2004, 08:05 PM
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Soup de Jour...

I've been spending some quality HERRING time in the Bunker Skunk Worx (BSW)...

The BIG one is a long hollow tye with hackles and some peacock herl...
The BigEyeBodyBraidHollowTye has some bucktail hollow tyed to 150# mono added to the hook shank for the extra length...
The more standard RainbowHerringHollowTyeEpoxyHead is my more typical pursuit...

They will all be offered up to striped herring hunters in the Spring estuary/tidal river forward operating locations...
Let's go phishing!
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Old 01-10-2004, 08:13 PM
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...but I really like the looks of...

...these semi-weedless HighTyedHookUpSuperHairringPharSideBadBoyz...

Less philling/tastes great...
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Is there a place where this technique is illustrated?
Maybe that some (?) guy could do something for us ignoramusees...
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Old 01-10-2004, 09:36 PM
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Pete...

I've been playing with this fuzzy motion for a while and thought I had invented the wheel...only to find out there are quite a few others doing it one way or another...
Since I developed it (my version of the wheel) alone in the solitude of my BSW and without outside influence, I'm pleased with how it's evolving and will be drowning a boxful in about 4 months...

Here's the deal:
Tiemco 411S 3/0 or larger...any wide gape hook will do...I had some bent 411's and when they're gone I'll probably use 4/0 Verivas...
Dress hook with clear mono from eye to normal bend...
White super hair tyed at bend, thumb-nailed around hook shank...
Pearl sparkle braid wrapped over tyes from bend to eye...
The remainder is tyed over the body braid...
Sparse tapered clumps on super hair high-tyed (on the phar side) with hook UP...
Sparse tapered clump slightly longer with each tye...(or you can trim to shape to complete profile)
Half way up the shank some dark peacock flash or dark strands of super hair to inply a lateral line...
Tye in some pearl flash on the sides to imply scales...
Start blending in some lavender then light blue sparse clumps as tying reaches the head of the phly...
More sparse pearl flash...
Work your way to the eye and finish with some peacock herl or black super hair...
Tye off and apply epoxy to the head and exposed body braid...
Add 3-D or holographic or (for you Moonie fans) jungle cock eyes...
One more coat of epoxy on the head and eyes...
A light coat coat of hard as nail/hull whatever...OR some Black Duck Fly Tamer (I just started playing with this and sofarsogood)
Apply water, preferably in front of some hungry striped consumers and keep your hand clear of rapidly spinning reel parts!

That's off what's left of a once fully functional mellon...
I hope this is what you had in mind?! Otherwise...never mind!
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Old 01-10-2004, 10:15 PM
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If...on the other hand...

You were talking about Hollow Tye...
The bucktail it tyed on the hook shaft in the other direction (towards the hook eye) thumb-nailed evenly around theshaft and then bent back toward the barb and tyed hard to achieve some flairing...I use old bullet brass...a ball point pen body works too...whatever blows your skirt up and turns the buck tail in an even phashion. The tighter the thread pull, the more flair you get...
Flair=Hollow
Spares=Good
Layer upon layer toward the hook eye, blending colours and flash as desired as you go...maybe some herl for the dark back...
Finished with an epoxy head and some eyes of your liking...or a phashioably small tyed head and some jungle cock...or ???
At least that's how I do it...
Does that make sense...or am I howlin' at the moon?!
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:15 PM
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What the key is to tying this fly in my opinion and confirmed by Bob is he quality of the bucktail used. Went to the Saltwater's Edge and got some nice stuff. By the way Bob Popvic's bucktails are from the Edge. Get the extra select primium tail.
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