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Old 11-16-2003, 04:27 PM
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This is my first attempt at posting photos, so bear with me.
Here follows some shots of spey hackle made from Amherst centre tail
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Old 11-16-2003, 06:18 PM
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Old 11-16-2003, 08:28 PM
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Old 11-16-2003, 08:30 PM
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Old 11-16-2003, 08:38 PM
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Well the single hackle seemed to come up, I will now try and post the bunch of hackles
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Old 11-16-2003, 11:51 PM
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Very cool stuff spey/doc.

Speybum makes great dubbing brushes by sticking a rabbit fur strip in the loop and cutting off the hide.

Aaron has given me several strips (correct term?) of his 'wound dubbing;' don't have the time, etc., Great Stuff!!!! Works like a charm.
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Old 11-17-2003, 01:57 AM
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Oh man, my head is so full of ideas I'm never going to tie flies again, just make "dubbing brushes". Awesome stuff gentlemen.

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Old 11-17-2003, 08:53 AM
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Speydoc, Great looking Hackles!! I recently read "A Master Fly Weaver" and the author (sorry I can't his name) went through a lot of trouble to make similiar looking hackles.

Besides stopping to pick out the hackles when they get caught in the brush do you have any advice on making the hackles?
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Old 11-17-2003, 09:01 AM
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what to stuff in brush

Brushes can be made with about any material imaginable but they really shine with stuff that's difficult to work with such as pig's wool, seal, polar bear underfur, deer hair, etc. With that said, the Nor-Vise works well in applying these materials to the thread without making loops or brushes (http://www.geocities.com/salmn8r/dubbeddeerhair.html for some pics).

If making brushes with thread or floss as the core, the brush can be saved by inserting the ends of the finished brush into slits cut in opposite ends of a piece of appropriately-sized card stock. This is the way Leisenring stored the dubbed bodies for his trout flies depicted in "The Art of Tying the Wet Fly".

An alternative to twisting the ends together is furling the material. Goto http://www.geocities.com/salmn8r/furledstinger.html to see how a Nor-Vise can aid in the furling of a piece of material (mono in the photos on that page). By leaving the hook out of the construction and evenly applying dubbing to the material, the ensuing furling will lock the material into place with the only thing needing to be done to preserve the furl is to tie an overhand knot into the loose ends. That furling technique may be something one can do with the turbo twisting thingy; it works fine with the Nor-Vise so I haven't pursued any other construction possibilities.

Furling is a method that has a lot of potential in fly tying but doesn't seem to get a lot of press. The stingers depicted on the aforementioned page are an easy and fast way to start a tandem chassis and have really sped up my tying process for tying String Leeches. Applying dubbing to the material pre-furl or trapping a saddle hackle in the furl or by using materials other than mono (braided Dacron, lead core trolliing line, braided stainless, etc). are all options that work well and increase the versatility of the technique.

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http://www.geocities.com/salmn8r/rotarytechniques.html

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Old 11-18-2003, 03:39 PM
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These are my latest dubbing brush flies. Only took about an hour or so.

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Old 11-18-2003, 08:49 PM
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John,

The author of the book you mentioned is George Grant. I had the pleasure of meeting him on Montana's Big Hole River several times when I lived in Montana. George was (I don't know if he is still alive or not; if so, he would be close to 100 years old right now.) a gentlemen from Butte, Montana who was generous with his time and knowledge of tying and fishing.
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Old 11-19-2003, 08:29 AM
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Thankyou Flytyer. I just had a mental block on George Grant's name.
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Old 11-19-2003, 12:38 PM
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Speydoc-very nice

This would seem to be a great alternative to splitting hackle(s) stems. Which, as anyone who has ever tried can tell you, is a royal pain in the butt. Now, only question is, how do you keep the hackle fibers laying flat rather than twisting all around the brush as you spin it?
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Old 11-20-2003, 10:24 AM
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turbo spinning block

teds is out of the turbo spinning block and didnt know when the next order would come in.
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Old 11-20-2003, 11:20 AM
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Sorry Metalhead, but I thought that might happen. You might want to look up those distributers they list on the makers site and give them a call. I was at a local shop last night (River Run Angler, Aaron and Jack are God's gifts to Spey fishermen) at a fly tying round table and those nor-vises are pretty slick and can do the same thing. Aaron had one made with the spinning vise on one end, a holder on the other and a little micro table that could be elevated up to the wire where you could lay out dubbing, fur, feather, etc. and then spin it into a brush (check out some of these videos http://www.nor-vise.com/multimedia/video.htm ). If I hadn't bought a turbo spinning block, I would make one because right now, I just can't believe I have gone so long with out one or something like it.

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