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Old 10-23-2003, 03:54 PM
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OOps, they were GamaKatsu SC15's.

And OH! Did I mention semi-circle...another thing I don't like.

There may be those that can let a 120# tarpon stick itself but my customers are trained to strip strike. Bam! Stick em hard and deep!

OK, that's all I've got...Mel.
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Old 10-23-2003, 05:42 PM
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barbless hooks

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things got a little heavy there for a while, its amazing that my little question about barbless got carried so far. Thanks guys.
I just started tying some saltwater flies, the hooks I bought were GamaKatsku sc11-3h, I dont know anything about salt hooks, only to buy non corrosive ones. These hooks were the only ones available in town. They look strong??? they are about $5. for 12 hooks, is that considered cheap or expensive. Hopefully these hooks will hold up to that first tarpon I know i am gonna get in belize in a couple of months. If not, its the hookup that counts,.
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barbless hooks

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things got a little heavy there for a while, its amazing that my little question about barbless got carried so far. Thanks guys.
I just started tying some saltwater flies, the hooks I bought were GamaKatsku sc11-3h, I dont know anything about salt hooks, only to buy non corrosive ones. These hooks were the only ones available in town. They look strong??? they are about $5. for 12 hooks, is that considered cheap or expensive. Hopefully these hooks will hold up to that first tarpon I know i am gonna get in belize in a couple of months. If not, its the hookup that counts,.
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Old 10-23-2003, 06:27 PM
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Actually, those hooks are among the strongest available. The 3H stands for 3X strong. They are heavier and will therefore require a little better timing in your casting. They will certainly be stronger than 13lb of pull. Their shank is also full length so any pattern should fit. I think they'll more than handle any tarpon you'll find in Belize. Good fishing.
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Old 10-24-2003, 12:35 PM
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Another vote for the 2/0 SC-15. Amazing penetration and surpriseingly strong. This is for the ocean side flats off Isla Morada. Small flys and fish maybe not as big as Capt. Mel's.
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I've found Mustads (34007, 011s, and 07s) adequate for bones, permit, and tarpon for over 25 years and I have great respect for them. But I've also lost plenty of good fish on broken and bent-open Mustads. And while I've always sharpened my Mustads before I tie, the Gamakatsus I'm using today are better out of the box--esential for penetrating a bone's or a permit's hard crusher plates. The new hooks are expensive, even if you buy 100 packs, but well worth it for a $3-5k trip to the flats.

I'll be tying some flies for March in about a month and I'll be using Gamakatsus.

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Old 10-28-2003, 04:10 PM
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Dick, which Gami hooks do you like for bones?
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Eddie,

The SC15 and the SL11-3H depending on profile and fish size. The TMC 800s is a pretty good bone hook too.

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Unsuitable hooks...?

Hi all (and Mel !). Mel tested his hook with 80lb breaking strength mono and a Boga-grip whereupon the hook straightened at 13lbs. I suspect that that would not be a fair test ! Reading Thomas McGuane's "The Longest Silence", he maintains that NO ROD is capable of pulling more than (I think...) 6lbs. I assume he means without failing catastrophically, or as I call it... breaking.
Would Mel be kind enough to try the same test using a tarpon rod or, just leaving out the hook, tie the mono direct to the Boga-grip. I am categorically NOT asking that he endanger any rod but just see if he can even approach 6 or 7lbs.

Best fishes, Carl.

By the way, Mr McGuane's book is utterly brilliant with lots of tarpon,permit,and bonefish within. Buy it !
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To be honest, a bluewater flyrod isn't worth owning unless it can dead lift twenty pounds. Now this is for pursuit of marlin, large bluefin and yellowfin tuna, etc. There are several rods on the market right now that can do just that and more. I was not able to duplicate Mel's results on the SC15 and I worked with a number of the same hooks. I don't know why that happened, but maybe he got a package of defective hooks. I debarb the SC15 all the time and have no more problems with them than any other hook I debarb. While I probably wouldn't use the SC15 on potential world record tarpon or large billfish, they are fantastic for about everything else. And, Gami does make a stronger hook, the SC15C-2H (meaning 2X strong) to handle those fish. To me the cost of pursuing fish like this is such that the cost of the hooks is really small potatoes. I just choose to use the best, which at this point in time means Gamakatsu and Owner, though Mustad and others are doing a good job of trying to catch up.
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Old 08-24-2004, 05:37 PM
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To me the cost of pursuing fish like this is such that the cost of the hooks is really small potatoes. I just choose to use the best, which at this point in time means Gamakatsu and Owner, though Mustad and others are doing a good job of trying to catch up.
Two points JR... Here in London, UK, the cost of a packet of Owner hooks is actually too high for the human ear ! Secondly, as the proud possessor of 6 or 8 packs of Mustad's 34007s, I found them perfectly adequate for even a large (7-8 pound) bonefish. It was just my fluorocarbon that gave up the ghost ! Secondly, I do also have a couple of packs of Owner hooks, an Xmas treat to myself, and I'm sort of scared to handle them as they're EVILLY sharp. I only look at them sideways from across the room in case they put my eye out. They do seem pretty d*mn good.
By the bye... does anyone have any opinions on Orvis 28GX circle wides (2X-short shank) and their "bog-standard" 9034s for bones, 'pon and, whisper it, permit ? Silly question really, as this is probably the opinion capital of the 'net.
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