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Old 10-15-2003, 04:00 PM
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Interesting possibilities . . .

Fishing for chinook and steelhead at the mouths of small creeks opens up some possibilites. I've tried this once but with out some intel, it seemed pretty fruitless.

Time of day, weather conditions, wind direction, temperature change (air and water), water conditions, etc. all seem crucial to hitting it right. Any sources out there on this?

BTW, what's with the alphabet soup?
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Old 10-15-2003, 06:25 PM
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Thumbs up It is crucial....

Ok....

To Lipripper, no hard feelings just making a point. Some of the guys in the industry have been doing this, most guide for it and many excel at it. Also, three of them have competed in the world casting chamionship and I know they are FFF certified...it is not like they are dummies. I am trying to get the article published, it still is being written and I am getting all my best pics in it.

MJYP, my buddy Russ fishes for browns in the surf more than steelhead. He did very well last year, this year wasn't too good. Action should be picking up soon. I don't throw anything but flies though.

To Peter S-C, it is a hoot....I live for it. If you can find the fish at the proper time, it is well worth the effort. It depends on everything you mentioned. Usually I know now when is best to go and where, and what to target specifically
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Old 10-15-2003, 06:38 PM
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My comment was pointed towards black chrome like those post spawn chrome chinooks.

Now thats a hoot.....

Bad thing about surf fishing is that you wait for the fish to come to you, not like river fishing were you have to find the fish.

Different game, if the surf is empty you are shot. The river is another story. Odds are there are fish present 99% of the time, its the chess game of getting them to hit that draws me.

Quantity is for guides, quality is for fishermen.
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Old 10-15-2003, 07:01 PM
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ahh yess...

But I find alot more solitude in the surf, and it is more of a challenge looking for fish sometimes. I do not know about you, but the rivers here can bring crowds...I do have a few select streams with nobody, and a few private ones that get runs.

Quality is better than quanity, you are correct.
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Steelieman,
Your missing MY point. Names in this business are just that...names in this business. I am sure if you asked around the board a little you could come up with names of aquintances and friends and fishing partners that would knock your socks off. Most don't wear them around like badges of honor and respect. Some of the best guides I know are NOT household names and if you asked them I'm sure they would prefer it that way. Casters too... some of the greatest could care less about being certified. There is something to be said for humility. Especially in a brave new world of ESPN "Flyfishing Championships" and "getting articles published".

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maybe....

Yeah you are right, there are several lesser known people who are good people and follow in the same path...but if you have ever been out with some of these guys, then you don't understand. They are fish magnets, not saying that someone else isn't. They are great people, and you know what I do business with them because they always help out in anyway, and I know them. It is like relying on family versus a stranger. If I need anything I can go to them, especially if I am in tight squeeze of time.

It isn't always about what you know, sometimes it is about who you know.

Anyways, back to the surf topic...I got more pics coming of a recent trip.
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Old 10-15-2003, 10:49 PM
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Dan,

I'll admit the prospect of fishing for staging salmonids before they enter the river is an interesting one. I've spent many days in saltwater chasing the elusive winter steelhead in saltwater around Puget Sound and although I've caught 4 of the 5 American pacific salmon (no sockeye) I've never caught a steelhead in the salt.

I know the big lakes are not salt but they are freshwater oceans. How big are the waves you deal with? What line weights are best? How far do you need to cast?

thanks in advance.
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Old 10-16-2003, 04:05 AM
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Waves can vary from gentle rollers to 30' tall monsters. It all depends on the direction and speed of the winds.

I would hazard a guess that 80% of the surf fishing in the great lakes is done by plunking spawn or tossing harware.

Most of the river mouths (bigger more popular rivers) have a peir or harbor. This prevents one from truly fishing the mouth. People then fish the flume or river water flowing out into the lake.

Winds then really affect the way it goes out into the lake, sometimes hugging the shorline other times it will flow straight out into the lake.

You can also fish the lessor known streams and creeks, which will offer true river mouth access. They are a real hit and miss affair since they were rarely if ever stocked and rely heavily on H2O from the sky to draw the fish.

Some surf fishing is done at the mouths of warm water discharges or on a shoreline near deep drop offs. Most times it is a hit and miss affair, but if you hit it right you can experience some good fishing.

The spring smelt run is probably the best time to tangle with some hog fish stuffed full of smelt. I have caught browns stuffed full of smelt their stomachs bulging from the feeding frenzy. If you manage to hit the alewive spawn you can also rip into some nice fish.

They are some greedy fish when they put on the feed bag.

One thing of note is that the food chain bio-mass has been declining the last few years. this is a result of over stocking from the GL states. Lake Michigan has 4 states surronding it. Each one of those states pump tons of game fish into her. As of late the biologists realized the error and have reduced stocking levels to allow baitfish rebound. Couple that with the lake being way below normal levels (last I heard it was 5') makes one wonder how long the bounty will last. After all everything changes sometimes it is not for the better.
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