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Old 10-01-2003, 08:33 PM
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Wading Discussion

As I look back on our discussions we have discussed a ton of things but I can't remember any diverse discusion on wading... not waders... but on wading techniques , the type of fish, the water... etc. My general thinking is that , at a maximum, you should never wade deeper than the bottom of your stripping basket... and at times you only need ankle deep... I think the norm would be just Knee deep... I see a ton of fishermen out on Monomoy and South beach who are basically out to far... Any Opinions on putting this in perspective.
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Old 10-01-2003, 08:50 PM
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I am hardly a wading expert, but if you wade much deeper than your knees (I am not very tall), you can't see the fish all that well.
If one is blind casting in the surf, if you are up to your basket, the fish might be behind you. But there are no absolutes except no fish is worth drowning for.
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Old 10-01-2003, 10:38 PM
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Well said Eddie! We've all seen them on South Beach and elsewhere - all you can see above the surface is a head and a pair of arms flailing the water to a foam - flies coming back at speed and , for the most part, unmolested.

Each to his own

I like ankle to knee deep too.
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Old 10-02-2003, 04:54 AM
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Good topic. I get strange looks for anglers when I wear an inflatable vest. However, things happen so fast you don't have time to react , I know from experince. I see many anglers too far out. It is amazing than nothing serious has happened.
A couple of weeks ago I watched two rookie anglers fish a blitz on the Flats and I had to yell to them to get back or they would be stranded. They made it back but the water was chest high.
I guess in our quest for fish we loose are sense of the tide.
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Old 10-02-2003, 05:41 AM
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A very good topic this...
I live in the UK and we get some huge tides over here. On certain spring/moon tides, it would not be unusual to see 30 - 40ft of water move in 6 hours. If you happen to be on a sandbar or point thats gets cut-off at high water, then it's curtains!
Wading and knowing the tides is of paramount importance in the UK. That said, only last week i was out up to near top of my chest waders to reach the fish that were stationed over a weed bed! It made casting very difficult, but at least i caught, where others were blanking. Normally i like to use the bottom of the stripping basket as my marker.

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Old 10-02-2003, 05:48 AM
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I'm not an expert either, but the number of times that I was knee deep and the fish were BEHIND me are countless. I think they are telling us something:hehe:
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Old 10-02-2003, 06:33 AM
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Hypothermia

Wet wading, however pleasant, has it's risks even on a 95 degree summer day.

When enough of the area of your body is submerged for hours, particularly the legs, the conductive cooling can reduce your body temperature and you enter stages of hypothermia even while the upper half of the body is sweltering.

Other than those days when you spend most of the time out of the water and part of the time in it, I would highly recommend the use of a good pair of breathables for most days of the year in saltwater.

I use them any day I spend on the flats without fail, unless I agree to take people fishing who don't have waders. In that case I wet wade to make sure I am not leading them too long in the water. If I feel temp loss coming on I lead them out, etc.

I was full time on the flats this summer and some of the tide pushes that occurred on hot summer days were downright chilly, cold enough to induce hypothermia in a relatively short time.
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Old 10-02-2003, 07:17 AM
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Juro,
How things have changed, has the world gone soft? William Scrope the Victorian Salmon fisherman thought waterproof boots were for wimps, and advised it was quite safe to wade till the water was lapping your fifth waistcoat button. In February on the Tweed when it is cold enough to freeze the line to the guides he suggests ď should you be of a delicate temperament it might be a good idea to have an occasional glance at your legs, should they be black or even purple it might, perhaps, be as well to get on dry land. But if they are merely rubicund ( ruddy) you neednít worry."
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Last year, I got to the Beach a little late and by the time i got to the mouth of the creek i like to fish, four guys has positioned themselves out on the bar ,chest deep in the surf! They were wearing wet suits, casting Wild Eyes, and hooking up. I was a little discouraged, but proceded to catch fish behind them.
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Old 10-02-2003, 07:22 AM
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Willie -

Not fair! Men in skirts are able to withstand much more cold temps down in the nether regions!
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Old 10-02-2003, 08:22 AM
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I agree that anything past knee deep is too deep on the flats. I find that if you wear a fleece or windbreaker you can wet wade just fine for most of the summer but to each his own. Juro is right about the hypothermia thing but I find as long as you keep the big muscles dry, you are OK.

As far as the surf is concerned, I don't know how you could go much deeper than knee deep without getting pummelled by a wave. Plus you'd be standing in the fish's hot zone.

A pee peeve of mine are people who feel the need to stand right in the middle of the travel lanes of the fish and stomp around for a bit. That and hoot and hollar when they hook up top a schoolie.

A freshwater consideration is the clown who needs to wade chest deep across a pool full of trout to retrieve his snagged fly - and ruin the fishing for everyone else.
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Old 10-02-2003, 08:36 AM
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My take on this topic is best summarized by Adrian's signature:

When sight fishing, look over your shoulder from time to time, you never know who's behind you
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Old 10-02-2003, 08:44 AM
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Juro and Dave are both correct... I wet wade because it is more comfortable for me to do so, yet I have got cold. I do this because I can travel easier along the beaches to given locations. If I am standing still for hours, sure, it starts to get cold... but I am usually moving... and in the summer I have no problem, for example, moving from the J bouy to the drop off in wast deep water (usually, I am at knee deep). If I get cold I will just head to shore for a short time, get warm and go back in.I remember one summer day at the Swift River in Neopren waders in 95 degree temperature and starting to shiver because I stayed for hours. If you keep moving it's better. I suppose a river is different as compared to a long beach. That's about waders... but I am trying to focus on the distances one goes in as a general rule. It is certainly easier to cast at Knee deep and more importantly, to see fish.
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Old 10-02-2003, 08:45 AM
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where's teh structure?

I think the depth you wad depends first on safety and second on where the fish are.

Think about Monomoy.

Flats....safety not so much an issue unless your getting into a rip, but you can't see fish if you're too deep, so ankle to knee seems about right.

At the drop-off basin, though, there is a nice contour line out some distance, and some weeds beyond that. good fish holding area. Tough to reach if you're just knee deep, but wad out another 20 yards to waist deep and you're on fish.

Surf and tides are different entirely. Fished at deep hole a couple weeks back...jsut before the Hurricane. Lots of surf, and the spincasters were getting fish a bit further out than I can cast...not worth wading any deeper to reach the fish....

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Old 10-02-2003, 03:59 PM
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Clearly each has it's good points!

Personally, and not meaning to imply anything about those au' naturel, I feel wet wading limits my reach and range. There are regions of the common flats where much walking in water is necessary. Even if the fishing could occur in shin deep water to return to hard ground can involve half to nearly a mile of wading in certain cases, often against a cold incoming tide. There is no dry land out there, and often the best sight fishing in the entire refuge is out there.

We won't even talk about the jellyfish blooms :eyecrazy:

What footwear do you like for wet wading?

Footwear? We don't need no schtinkin' footwear! - striblue
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