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Old 09-19-2003, 04:04 PM
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Lincoln Park Revisited

I hit the beach in the dark at 5:30am. This morning was totally different than yesterday's. I wanted to fish the incoming tide in the dark and would have if only the wind were either not blowing or at least coming over my left shoulder instead of my right. No way was I going to let that #2 Gamakatsu get near my head so I sat down and lit a cigar and waited in the rainy dark until I could at least see my fly to duck as it flew by.

Sure enough, the rain lessened and the wind died as the sun continiued to rise. Once again, there were no signs of fish. I blind cast over and over as I worked the beach hoping that my popper would attract any hungry coho in the vicinity. It wasn't long before a small school moved through and in quick succession, I hooked a fish and "doublespey" aka Brian Lencho, had a big one follow his popper to the beach. My fish was about 4-5 pounds and simply wallowed and twisted at the beach. It never took out any line and I slid it onto the beach after about 30 seconds. I released it thinking I would get my dinner fish a bit later. Brian thought I should have removed it from the gene pool.

Pretty soon, a few other flyfishers showed up and we all flogged the water into a froth. I had two more follows and hung around until 11am when I caught one of 2-3 pounds.

Ahh, dinner at last.

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Old 09-19-2003, 04:11 PM
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Sounds like another day in paradise.

Curious - when we get a crosswind around these pahtz (parts) we either turn around and throw the backcast or if we are lucky enough to have a two-hander reach across the body without turning the head and throw a reverse overhand cast with the lower hand doing much of the work. Even in a howling wind this is a safe and kinda fun kinda cast, and it throws a very tight loop for distance.

Would this work for what you are doing in a crossing wind?
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Old 09-19-2003, 04:46 PM
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Absolutely, I simply chose not to out of simple laziness.

As a note, no other gearchuckers or flyfishers fishing "dark" turned any fish.

My theory is that the popper is an even more effective attractor than I give it credit. What few fish show up move to the surface commotion, particularly in choppy water when it is even more "visible."

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Old 09-19-2003, 06:27 PM
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Cool... I hope we can get the pacific version of the beach rod out quickly, I want to get one in your hands ASAP while the run is still on!
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Old 09-23-2003, 12:11 AM
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Speaking of the new Puget Sound Beach Rod, I was out casting a different shooting head gizmo I thunk up. Since I disintegrated my 12 foot Loop chasing silvers, I pulled out my old Sage 10150. I had been tossing 200/300/400 grain big boys and aqualux heads. Trouble is, they don't make a 500 grain head in the Aqualux. Then it hit me. 10 wt floating line is about 10 grains a foot. So I cut a 10 foot chunk, tied up some loop connecters at the ends and ran it like this;

.024 powerflex floating running line, 10 foot/100 grain floating middle section and then the heads.

Total head length is now 34 to 36 feet, depending on the type of head, which feels a heck of a lot better. Head weights are now 300/400/500 and it turns over that clouser a heck of a lot better. I can shoot 80 to 100 feet of running line which gives me a lot of room to change up retrieves like speed or herky jerky etc. The more time you have to play with it, the more the silvers like chasing it.

Just wish I had a faster rod for the two handed overhead cast. That old 10150 feels slow, infact, all my rods feel slow. Going to run this shooting head stuff through a CND Thompson on Wednesday and then a T & T hopefully. Sure wish I had a really fast 10 wt, 14 or 15 foot Puget Sound Beach Rod from CND. I'd make that rod wish to God it had never met me, aarrgh, and few Silvers too!

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Old 09-26-2003, 12:43 PM
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Let us know

Matt,
Please let us know how the heads work on the Thompson and what head you are using.
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Old 09-26-2003, 01:43 PM
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Ted,

Actually, I went and tried the CND's. Fell in love with the 15 foot Salar right off the bat. Better than my Sage, Loop, Flylogic and St Croix spey rods, all put together. Now don't get me wong. I have tossed the Burkie's and B&W's. They feel really good in my hands. But I'll be able to get line and new reels for the same price.

The Salar is going to get me into the big belly area of line. Jack Cook let me toss the Accelerator with it. First time I had ever tossed that type of line and it sort of looked like I new what I was doing. But I wont have any qualms about using shooting heads on it. I'm already doing that with my Sage 15' 10wt, but the Specialist series feels like it is a better rod for that task.

I'm also thinking the new Skagit or Steelhead specialist will be a better option for my shooting heads off the beach. Going to try it as soon as they come in. 14' 9wt or 13' 8wt will also work better for me on the rivers plus I have plenty of spey line for up there if I don't have room to overhead those heads.

Don't know if the 11 or 12 foot beach rods will be the ticket, but will be trying it before passing judgement.

Also I'll have to redo my basket. I think with longer fingers in the bottom, I could shoot into the backing on that Rio .024 floating running line. That's a 120 feet of running line and about 35 feet of head. I know it's just a dream but I'm close (30 more feet close on that slow ass Sage). Getting the fly to lay out straight off the leader is hard. If I could build the heads with some taper it might work a little better. Plus I found a head shop that sells digital dope scales. I'm really going to have to watch my grains on those heads and set them up for the different rods.

Anything is worth getting out past the buzz bombers. Not that the fish are there. All my hits are still pretty close up. It just looks cool and besides, the chicks dig it.

Matt
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Old 09-28-2003, 02:38 PM
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Which Accellerator on the Salar

Matt,
Which accellerator were you using on the Salar. The 10/11 does well on the Thompson.
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Old 09-29-2003, 12:48 PM
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Watch it Matt. We were casting a 7/8 GrandSpey which is what we would suggest for a sink tip system on this rod. If I were using a floating line I would use the XLT 8/9. I am sure one of the Accelerator lines would work very well also, just look for one about 900 grains and you are on your way.

Matt was casting the entire GrandSpey, on the grass, with no effort, it was fun to watch. I want to see him perform with a 13'8 Skagit Specialist and a shooting head!
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Old 09-29-2003, 01:07 PM
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HOLY @#$%,

That was a Grandspey? I've never cast that line before. Just airflo with tips and windcutters. I have used a midspey with the middle section taken out on my 5120 and my slo-mo flylogic. But man, oh man I love that Salar. If I had a little water to add some grip, there is no telling what I could do. I'm buying the Salar from the first person that gets it in their shop.

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Old 09-29-2003, 01:13 PM
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hey man

The Salar is currently available. I could have sent you home with one. I still think you should try the 13'8 before you decide.

We should have one before the end of October.
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Old 09-29-2003, 01:43 PM
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I'm getting both for the beach and the river. Do you have a virgin Salar in the shop right now?

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Old 09-29-2003, 02:08 PM
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Yes

And I can put your name on it.

Emaill me offline at babar@speyman.com
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Old 09-29-2003, 02:32 PM
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I don't want to throw water on the party, but 15 feet of 9/10/11 for the poor little cuttys and 6 pound silvers on the beach:eyecrazy: I've thrown nothing but a 9.5 foot six weight, and have yet to feel undergunned or outfished.

I've cast the Salar, and frankly, I love it. Personal preference issue, but the Thompson is too much stick for me. Can't wait to see the steelhead and the skagit. If they live up to their billing, which is same league as the Salar and Thompson, but with distinct personalities, it's going to take months of test casting to choose one!
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Old 09-29-2003, 02:52 PM
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Matt you should just wait for juros new two handed beach rods he has coming out. He is working on one specially designed for puget sound.

I think they are just under 11' and if distance is what you are after with proper technique you can throw the whole line and more with these.

Plus when you stick em under your arm for a 2 hand retrieve you are back at a 9ft rod. With longer rods like the salar the tip reverb is gonna suck when stripping.

I for one cannot wait to see what Juro comes up with since he lives and breathes salt water fishing. They are gonna be sweeet.


Hurry up Juro!


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