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Classic Atlantic Salmon No pursuit rivals salmon rivers, flies & legacy

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Old 07-02-2003, 01:48 PM
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Thanks for the compliment. I saw the yellow artic fox fur underwing along with the black Krystal Flash. I wasn't sure about the black wing fur though, I knew it was either artic fox or kid goat though.

Also, I use some black Krystal Flash in the middle of a wing made of two small bunches of black artic fox on the Night Dancers (a Frank Amato fly found in Trey Combs last steelhead book) that I tie. I find the use a wee bit of Krystal Flash to improve the fish attracting qualities of many flies.

I'm also going to tie a variation of the fly you pictured by using purple (the deep bluish purple we steelheaders like) instead of the yellow in the wing.

You do tie a very nice fly.
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Old 07-03-2003, 02:51 PM
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Bill,

What other beautiful and unusual flies have you found to be productive this season? I am interested in non-mainstream flies that are favorites of someone I can actually contact and discuss the fly with. Picasse is certainly unusual and attractive. Thanks
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Old 07-04-2003, 05:59 AM
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I can't post pic of flies from this year as Nikon has my camera at the moment. I had an undetected leak in my Aquapac and my digital got a little damp. But, I did take fish this year on a temple dog similar to the attached. The ones shown here are tied on Loop "bottle" tubes I use in Russia. The Gaspé flies are tied on unweighted plastic tubes. I use #8 Loop double hooks.
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Old 07-04-2003, 06:59 AM
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Biil,
Thanks for the temple dog pics. What are loop tubes ? Brand name or special function tubes? Another question comes to mind. Outside the Northeast the world seems caught up in the use of tube flies but they haven't caught on, or so it seems, in Canada.
Tradition, or another reason for the slow adoption do you think?
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Old 07-04-2003, 07:01 AM
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Bill,

Question should have been what are bottle tubes. I understand Loop as a brand - sorry
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Old 07-04-2003, 07:15 AM
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Loop bottle tubes are shaped to help laying on materials without building up front of tube. Rear is shaped to help secure the junction tubing. They add weight, so can't be used on the rivers I fish on the Gaspé. Change sometimes comes slowly to areas steeped in tradition (answer to your question about Gaspé adoption of tubes, not a criticism of regs).
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Old 07-04-2003, 07:30 AM
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Bill,

Very good - hadn't seen that bottle tube style before. Thanks

So, while the adoption of the tube flies on the Gaspé is slow to occur, have you used them with success so that you prefer them to tradtional flies in the area?

No intent to pin you down - sometimes I fish with old favorites because I like them - they satisfy me and maybe not the fish that might be holding. I am curious about their effectiveness though and whether, unbound by tradition, there is really a difference in their acceptance by the fish? Do you get more response from tube flies?
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Old 07-04-2003, 07:38 AM
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I use plenty of traditional flies (and methods) and love them. But, I just like to experiment. Salmo is salmo where ever they occur. And O Mykiss is a very closely related cousin.
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Old 07-04-2003, 08:13 AM
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Bill,

You sort of ducked my question on tube flies but let me ask another one on NY steelhead. My experience with Salmon River is nymphing with the chuck and duck method. Have you figured a way to get traditional grease line methods to be productive ?
There is such a PNW legacy around salmon and steelhead. The NY version seems so different
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Old 07-04-2003, 08:44 AM
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Didn't mean to duck your question. I don't prefer one method or fly type over another. I'm very respectful of traditional flies and methods, and there's much to be learned from different areas and approaches. I just like to experiment (sometimes local dogma carries blinders). I don't necessarily get more response from traditionals or tubes.

Regarding NY steelhead, I've never fished the Salmon river and have only fished the Cat once. The streams just don't seem to interest me much. Although I love Trutta and Mykiss in the trout streams I fish, I always seem to only want anadromous fish in their native habitat.

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Old 07-04-2003, 04:03 PM
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Bill,
I agree that anadromous fish in their own element are most spectacular. I was actually trying to figure out why tube flies have had such limited acceptance in the US and Canada. They are not really pretty as, say the flies of the PNW, or salmon hairwings, but the Brits and Nordics I work with swear they are the answer to the the salmon fisher's prayer.
My own experience with them is very limited, and I love the Atlantic hairwings and the steelhead flies from the West Coast.
One big difference is that in EU they fish trebles and keep what they catch. Tube flies have caught on over there but catch and release does not seem to have been embraced.......

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Old 07-04-2003, 11:18 PM
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As I attempted to say, I don't think tube flies are inherently more productive. There are times they work beautifully, but the same can be said for traditional flies. There are things that can be done with tubes that are difficult, if not impossible, with traditionals — and things that can be accompished best with traditionals. Very large flies can have a greater "landing" percentage with tubes because of the lack of leverage with small hooks. But I defy you to use a tube for the fly in the attached photo. The photographed fly landed 6 salmon from 6 to 16 lbs in a little over an hour last summer.
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Jcc -

Two distinct advantages come from the de-coupling of the hook from the fly in tubes. This allows (1) replacement of a damaged hooked and more importantly to me (2) incredible stickiness to the hook because it's not part of a long stiff lever.

Trebles and doubles are rare in the US. Short shanked hooks like the Nordic single are popular in the pacific northwest and these are hard for fish to throw. You can search and find a ton of discussion on the topic in threads gone past.

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Old 07-06-2003, 02:00 AM
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Glad to see someone else here on this side of the pond ties and uses small Irish Shrimp style flies in the summer. They are one of my favorites when rivers reach low-water flows in mid summer.
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Old 07-06-2003, 07:51 AM
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Wrke,

Intriguing penny fly - that will be some fun to try. When you catch the right time it is amazing what can happen, sounds like that fly has a great day associated with it. Thanks Bill
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