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Old 05-01-2003, 05:28 PM
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NEED HELP with fly tying

I started tying flies a couple weeks ago and I'am having trouble with the dubbing, I cant seem to get it to stay on the the thread. Is there any techniques you guys have for this, Thanks
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Old 05-01-2003, 05:43 PM
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Hi Hot Rod, welcome to the forum. There are bound to be many replies to a "thread" as open as this one, but I'll give you my experience. I was having a very difficult time with dubbing until I got a 5-minute lesson from a guy in an Orvis store. Essentially, the points are to...
1. wax the thread somewhat sparingly.
2. use dubbing sparingly.
3. wet your fingers.
4. roll the dubbing between the thumb and forefinger of both hands at the same time and in the same direction (which means that your fingers will be moving in opposition of one another with respect to your left and right hands, yet the line will twist the same direction).

Alternately, you can make a dubbing loop, which is what I do for many saltwater patterns. To do so...
1. drop the bobbin a few inches, hold the thread at the lowest point outside the bobbin, and bring the bobbin back up to the hook, thereby doubling the length of line outside the bobbin.
2. make a few wraps around the loop with the bobbin, securing it in place, then wrap the bobbin to wherever the next step calls for.
3. place a dubbing loop tool in the bottom of the loop (at least, this is what I do).
4. wax the thread in the loop sparingly.
5. sparingly place the dubbing inside the loop from the bottom up to the hook, then carefully spin the tool to form a somewhat-tight rope of dubbing.
6. wind this dubbing rope around the hook and tie off as called for in the pattern. If you have a true rotary vise, you can simply rotate the hook and wrap the rope in this manner.

Hope this helps!
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I wish I could help but Chris covered it all....
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Old 05-01-2003, 08:34 PM
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Welcome Hot Rod, Chris covered it pretty well the only thing I can add is that the less dubbing you try to put on the thread the easier it becomes.
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Yup what Chris said.

I use Wonder Wax that comes in a dispenser like a monster chapstick for godzilla.
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Or buy pre-waxed thread
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HR,

All excellent suggestions, but...

I would suggest you learn how to do it without using wax - you don't need it with most dubbing and in can make a mess. Keep it simple.

Buy premixed dubbing like hare-tron with very few guard hairs to start - it is much easier to work with and has a nice sparkle.

The trick to dubbing trout flies is to apply as little as possible to the thread and make mulitple turns of dubbed thread around the hook to build up the body. You want the diameter of the dubbed thread to be just a little thicker than the thread itself.

Pinch very small amounts at a time and roll through thumb and fingers IN THE SAME DIRECTION. Once you get the hang of it, it will be pinch, spin, pinch, spin and you'll be rolling in no time.

If you are into dubbing loops for big flies, which is a more advanced technique, then break out the wax.

Good luck

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Thanks for the advice, I will try it tonight
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