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Old 04-08-2003, 12:09 AM
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Vise Problems, Again!

I just got my new Thompson Pro Vise to replace the Cabela's vise that broke after only a few days of use. Now I am having problems with the Thompson. It certainly seems to be better made, but I can't get the hooks to stay secure in the jaws. It all starts out fine. I position the adjusting nut, place the hook in the jaws, and push down on the cam lever. At first the hook seems to be held nice and secure. I can push or pull on the hook firmly without moving it at all. However, the cam lever never seems to lock down into a sturdy, permanent position. Over time the cam lever works itself loose and drops the hook before I can complete the fly. It seems the slightest disturbance or bump of the cam lever re-opens the jaws and drops the hook.

I followed the directions from Thompson in detail, but just can't get the cam lever to stay in a locked position. Am I doing something wrong here or is this just a characteristic of Thompson vises? It may have been more difficult to finally secure the hook and it may have been poorly made, but once the hook was secured in my piece of junk Cabela's vise I could pound on the table and bang the cam lever without the cam lever or jaws so much as flinching a hair.

I was really getting into fly tying, but now things are getting down right discouraging!! Nothing seems to be going right!!
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Old 04-08-2003, 01:10 AM
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uptrout,

The Thompson vise cam lever locks when it is in a vertical down position in line with the stand rod (part that goes from the table to the draw collet) of the vise. I.e. 90 degrees to the table top or vise collet and jaws. The Thompson cam lever is round except for the last 1/4 or so of the lever. That is why you must have the cam lever in the vertical down positionAlso, the Thompson jaws are designed to have you place the hook's bend in the jaw, not the whole hook.

It sounds like you are trying to have the cam lever horizontal to the table (in-line with the jaws). This is a common problem when people first start using the Thompson vises. Give the solution I placed in the first paragraph a try, it should fix the problem.

On a personal note, I have never had a problem with hook slippage or cam lever not staying locked with my Thompson 360 SLT vise.
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Old 04-09-2003, 10:30 AM
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You'll figure it out and get used to it...

I use a Thompson Vision, and had a proII before that - the key is to get that collet adjusted to allow the last little "snap" of the arm motion to lock it tight. I also use a very small flatfile occasionally to give the jaws some additional grip. Not much, but a tiny bit of additional friction does wonders.

On the other hand, if you don't get the hang of it, one of the best vises out there to learn on and use for a long, long time (aside from my Vision, of course...) is a Danvise. Ugly as all getout, but bulldog grip and super easy to get hooks in and out. Had one in between the proII and the vision.

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Old 04-09-2003, 12:44 PM
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Gus,

That Danvise is one of the ugliest vises I've ever seen. It does hold a hook though. the big problem I have with it is all the delrin (granted not the jaws) used on it. I suspect it would have durability problems over the long haul if a person is tying several thousand flies per year.
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Old 04-09-2003, 12:52 PM
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Amen on the ugly.

Couldn't get over that myself. The delrin lasted well through a few hundred flies, though. My two Loop Graphite reels are delrin, and they've lasted well, too, although only as backups to my regular Traditionals...

Part of a vise's appeal to me is it's machine work & beauty, IMHO... one of the reasons I love my Vision, and dislike the ever popular traveler...

The (discontinued) Thompson Vision...
replaced by that Cobra thing...


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Old 04-09-2003, 01:18 PM
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Gus,

I prefer the 360 SLT to the Vision, even though the vision offers more room for tailing. The 360 SLT has a smoother operation when tying rotary because it has less mass, and the mass it has is all on the centerline, unlike the Vision.

The Cobra is actually a much nicer and easier to use vise than the Vision, it just looks odd in a sort of abstract art fashion. However, for a similar amount of money, one can get the Renzetti Traveler and have a much more versitile vise than the Thompson Cobra.
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Old 04-09-2003, 01:38 PM
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Don't get me wrong - The Cobra has grown on me since they introduced it - I talked to them just last week about the possibility of a left handed or cam model. I'm first in line if they come out with one that I can use left handed, and I would trade my Vision for it, or sell it to pay for it. I'm attached, but not THAT attached.

I agree about the centerline mass/ease of rotary on the vision, it is a drawback to some degree. I disagree about the Traveler, though. I think they're very poorly made for the price. I like the machining on their Master better, but then the price skyrockets, and you might as well get a Barracuda...

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Old 04-09-2003, 11:37 PM
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Gus,

Which is why I bought the Baracuda the first year it was available. Better hook gripping than the Master vise and $200.00 less in price. Not cheap by any means, but it has beautiful machine work and it is made of high quality steels. There is still no other vise with the versitility of the Traveler cam jaw vise at its price point.
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Old 04-10-2003, 09:59 AM
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LOL!

The 'cuda is nice...

For the sake of the discussion, what can the Traveler do that the Danvise can't, aside from melt at higher temperature and reflect sunlight?

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Old 04-10-2003, 11:03 AM
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Re: LOL!

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The 'cuda is nice...

For the sake of the discussion, what can the Traveler do that the Danvise can't, aside from melt at higher temperature and reflect sunlight?

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Old 04-10-2003, 02:41 PM
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yes...

Okay, you got me, I guess... but that's really just another reason to get one like the Barracuda!
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Old 04-13-2003, 02:01 AM
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Gstrand,
How do you find the hook holding power to be on the Thompson Vision? And what size range of hooks can it hold, from your experience? I've seen that the vise can take two other jaws, the Midge and Super Jaws...
Looks like an attractive vise to the eye. Also has a pivoting joint that is somewhat similar to the Ranzetti Master kind of... Thanks,
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Old 04-13-2003, 02:05 AM
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To hell with the grandkids

They can't have my barracuda until I'm dead and gone. Hell, may want them to cremate me with it still in my hands. LOL.

But damned you flytyer. He had to sell me on that barracuda. Tried one out, next thing I knew I had one coming in the mail. Have not complained once on the price. Well worth every cent I spent on it. Has made my flytying so much easier. Learning curve is setting the hooks, but only took a second and have been free wheeling ever since.
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Old 04-14-2003, 03:02 AM
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Steelheader69,

Sounds like you found the Baracuda is everything I said it is. And from your post, it sounds like a match made in heaven what with the "cremate me with it in my hands" comment. I won't trade my Baracuda for any other vise.

Doug Wright,

The Thompson Visions uses exactly the same cam and jaws of the Thompson Model A, Pro, and 360 SLT. This means that the stnadard jaw that comes with the vision is fine for hooks from #6 to #16, anything larger and the jaw doesn't have enough bearing surface, anything smaller and the jaw is not fine enough and it gets in your way. You really do need to have all three of the Thompson jaws (Midge, Standard, and Magnum) for tying the full range of hooks sizes. The Magnum is for hook sizes #6/0 to #6, and the Midge is for hook sizes #14 to 24.

Provided you use the proper jaw for the hook size you are tying and have it adjusted correctly, hook holding is not a problem. The Vision does wobble terribly though and it does not have ball bearings supporting the vise arm. For similar money, the Renzetti Traveller is a much better value. And if you want to keep your cash outlay under $100.00, the Griffin Odessey is very tough to beat in a true rotary vise.
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Old 04-14-2003, 09:01 AM
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Thanks Flytyer,
I already have a Renzetti Traveller and I was thinking of up-grading. I tie a lot of flies and am really looking into a new vice, the Barracuda especially. Thanks!
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