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Art of Casting Analysis, refinement of the cast

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Old 07-17-2007, 07:23 AM
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2-Hand vs 12wt

I just had a question.

This year I've been using a 2-handed rod to cast very large bunker and squid patterns - took some doing but I've finally got the cast down to the point where the big flies really aren't that much of a problem.

I was just wondering though that before I had a 2-handed rod I was trying to cast these same flies with a 10wt - the 2-hand casts the equivalent of a 12wt - so maybe that wasn't a fair comparison.

I also heard, and this may just be something you hear in the streets, that a 12wt one handed rod - for the most part - is designed more with lifting/fighting fish in mind than as a casting tool.

Reason I'm asking is I do a lot of kayak fishing where the 2-hand is of limited use, and just curious how it would compare to a heavier one handed rod.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:21 PM
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I see it a little differently.

My kayak is of little use for my two-hander

Serious answer: I don't enjoy fishing from a kayak, so I never do it and am not qualified to answer this question. I use a kayak as a transport but fish standing up. However I would think a big grain single-barrell would be useful for propelling big flies from a sitting position.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:59 AM
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Two hander in Kayak

Hi Sean,

I fish with a 2 hander from my Kayak alot. I can't take sitting in them for too many hours unless I'm amongst heavily feeding fish.

I like casting with it, seems to be alittle less effort to get longer distance casts. Line management is a challenge at times..

I can use the standard rod holders with it which is a nice plus. Allows you to troll while your paddling from one spot to another. It also has a real fighting butt for big fish so my wrist doesn't get too strained.

It is alittle more of a challenge getting fish close to the boat at times, But I have a pretty good technique if the fish isn't too big.

I don't have a 12wt for comparision, But I heard the same thing about heavy weight rods too. That they don't cast as well But provide more backbone for lifting. I imagine getting the right grain weight and taper configuration makes a big difference with any rod.

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Old 07-20-2007, 03:18 PM
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90% of the time I beach the yak and fish, I just perfer to be on my feet.

I like the two-hander primarily because its something different, I was just curious how it compared to a similar weight one handed rod - primarily when it comes to big heavy flies.

Like with my 10wt I use a 420gr head - the two hander uses a 550gr head. So is the relative ease of the cast due more to the line being that much heavier, or because of the design of the two hander? The power I can generate with the two hander is much greater than I can with the 10wt, but then again I can generate substainally more power with my 10wt then I can with my 8wt.

I suspose the question works in the reverse as well for the guys that have the lighter version of a 2-hander.

If you had two rods: one a one hander and one a two hander and both loaded properly with the same grain weight head (length could vary) how much difference would their be in power? My guess is that the two-hander would generate more energy just because its length allows for a greater acceleration, but the one hand with a double haul could be pretty close...
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Old 07-20-2007, 07:48 PM
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I was recently out casting my Xi-2 10 Wt & my new to me 9/10 wt Atlantis with a outbound Intermediate line. Trying to do a comparison to answer this very question. I could defiantly cast the two hander farther with less effort than the ten wt using the same line. Both rods load good with this line.
However I am not all that great of a caster yet. I am good for about 70 ft or so with the single hander. I can cast the two hander about a hundred feet. I dunno if this means more power or not.
Right now I am no so concerned with distance as I am just trying to get the timing & mechanics down to a consistent level & work on my tracking & acceleration to a crisp stop.
I do find with either rod, if I get everything right they shoot line like no tomorrow and no effort on my part. Just like Adrian & Juro do on every cast They make it look so easy.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:43 AM
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i was became familiar with two handers after my accident and perhaps i have over compensated as a result. however, i can cast a two hander farther and more accurately than i could ever cast one of the single hander 12 wts. it just easier to get the distance if i let that long lever do the work. there are some problems when fishing in a boat but so long as there is someone else to help i don't usually have a problem. my solution for the kayak problem was to get one of the hobie pedal type. with one hand it is difficult to steer and play the fish but in the saltwater i fish it isn't generally a huge problem. on occasion i will hook a large crevalle jack and it's best to just let them tow me around until they become more tractable.
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