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Old 06-12-2006, 03:39 PM
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Popper problems

Greetings o wise men from the fly-talk forum

When the evenings here in the Netherlands become longer and warmer. I'd like to spend them poppering the dutch ditches for yellow perch. Because this is a type of flyfishing that is seldom performed here, I can't buy any poppers in the flyfishing stores. So I developped my own micro poppers made from cork sticks that are being used for carp fishing. The result of this you can see in the pictures below.

These little flies tied on a size 8 to 10 hook can be compared to your panfish poppers I think. The flies work wel and make a lot of noise on the surface only the problem is that, when fished, they start spinning. In the beginning this is not a big problem but at a certain point, the whole leader starts twisting, what is very annoying.

I tried fishing them with a heavier leader point and puting rubber legs on them for more stability but none of this seemed to help.

Does anyone of you guys know the answer to this problem or is it simply impossible to make a micro popper go stable through the water.

I'm looking forward to your suggestions!

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Old 06-12-2006, 08:52 PM
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The twisting is happening during your false casts so rubber legs aren't really going to help. They'll only stabilize it for maybe one false cast, then they'll provide extra momentum on all the subsequent casts and actually make the problem worse. The reason it's happening is that your flies are uneven. One of the feathers is probably bigger than the other or flares out more than the other. All you can do is make sure your flies are as uniform as possible. The hook also needs to come through the head so that it's perfectly even too.

One solution to your problem is to switch to a different fly. Yellow perch love fast moving white streamers.
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You could make the shape more uniform by substituting the wound hackle and full feather tail for just some stripped hackle, like the tails on dryflies.
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Couple things -

1) use a straight eye hook, not a down eye

2) slit the bottom of the foam and push the hook in securing with some zap-a-gap, don't try to center it in the foam

3) forget about the forward canted cup mouth, a straight cylinder works just as well, for instance livebody foam. Otherwise get the pre-formed popper heads with the slit in the bottom for the hook shank

4) I have found that legs do help prevent spinning although you mention it doesn't - perhaps the other items above are overcoming the legs ability to add a little stability
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The points above are all very good and could be contributing to the spinning, but if I had to pick only one it would be the leader. Move up the diameter size of your tippet, and shorten the overall length of the leader. That's what will probably help the most.
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Old 06-13-2006, 09:19 AM
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Since I only tie big bangers for salt water I am always using a heavy leader tippet so I don't have the breadth of experience some do on small FW poppers. However I am curious how leader would prevent spinning in lighter applications. This would infer that the line and tippet provide significant resistance to torsional forces, such that it would overcome the tendencies to rotate when pulled on the water due to direction and angle of pull, shape of leading edges, and keel weight (hook).
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