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Old 04-21-2006, 09:54 AM
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The other day on the way home from work I dropped into West Marine to pick up a few minor things like floating key chains. I asked if they had any 2 cycle 8 hp Merc outboards left. As most of you know there will be no new 2 cycle outboards made for the U.S. market anymore, only 4 cycle. The guy behind the counter took a look at the inventory computer and told me he had just one left in the North West and it was down in his basement. I asked him how much and he gave me a price 700 dollars less than normal price. Asked him why so low and he said it was a 2003 model but never out of the box. Sure enough it had never been out of the box so I bought it, so much for floating key chains.

My question is for you folks that deal with outboards a lot. Do you think that the gaskets and seals will still be ok after sitting in the box for 3 to 4 years? I did get a full warranty but that means nothing if i am having problems and I got to mess with bringing back to the dealer all the time. Also I have not checked yet to see if it had any fuel in its system from a factory startup. It may have evaporated by now, should I be worried that there might be some problems from old fuel in a new outboard?
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Why is the market phasing out the 2 cycle engines? Not enough fuel efficiency, or just plain obsolete in comparison to the 4 cycle engines?
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I think it is because of the pollution factor. 2 cycles pollute more than 4 cycles. I agree with that and would have bought a 4 cycle but as we are going out of the country for 4 years or so I wanted the 2 cycle becaue it is easier to work on and the parts are many. It is so easy to get parts anywhere in the world for a 2cycle engine. The 4 cycle has not caught on in places like the South Pacific or Indian Ocean where fishermen can not afford the more expensive 4 cycles. To the best of my knowledge that is the reason and I wonder if they are making the ugly jet ski industry go to 4 cycle engines too.
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Why is the market phasing out the 2 cycle engines? Not enough fuel efficiency, or just plain obsolete in comparison to the 4 cycle engines?
I am going to need some proof on that one. I really doubt Bombardier would have invested so much in the Etech if they can't sell them here. The new two strokes need to meet emissions standards that only some do so that may be what OC is referring to?

My guess is that the factory would not have shipped the motor with any fuels in it. My reasoning here is that I used to work in a motorcycle shop and they always were shipped dry in crates. I would have concerns with dry rot on the seals and gaskets. I am not a mechanic but a good friend who is always told me to steer away from the used car with 8000 miles on it that sat in some old ladies garage for just that reason.

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I wouldn't be suprised if the true 2-strokes are history. The ones like mine that just blast 1/2 burnt fuel into the water are on their way out. I really don't think the E-tec is going to be banned for sale in the US since they are said to run quieter and burn less fuel than the current 4 stokes in the over 200hp class. I think that takes into account the extra weight of the 4 stokes and there may be some creative math involved but I'd be willing to belive they are just as good as the current 4's - less to go wrong too.

After only looking into it briefly (buddy boat shopping) if I had the cash to buy a new engine it would be an E-Tec.

Back to the question at hand. My recommendation would be to pull the plug and put a couple of drops of 2stroke oil in the cylinder - slowly pull the cord with the plug out., replace the plug.
Put some new gas oil mix in a fuel tank with fuel conditioner - Good idea to use the stabil in all your gas mix where you may not use up the fuel in 2 months, gas can go bad quicker than you think and that can cause lots of problems.

If it makes you feel any better my buddy has a little merc 9.9 I think, runs like a champ and was basically hanging off the back of a 23'er used a couple times a year and never winterized. He now runs it on a small lake boat, starts on the 2nd pulll every time.

Obviously get some water running through the muffs or drop the lower unit in the water before letting 'er rip.
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Old 04-21-2006, 11:26 AM
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I'm wondering if my terminology is wrong here and I should have used 2 stroke instead of 2 cycle. If I have can some one tell me the difference.
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OC I don't think you will have any trouble with seals or anything else buying the out of date OB, sounds like a great value. I have done the same several times in the past and never got burned by saving money.
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2 stroke / 2 cycle - different names for the same thing.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/two-stroke2.htm
This link should help you out.
I would hope that for the benefit of all in understanding the term that we don't edit the link but of course don't let me stand in the way of ignorance.

A 4 stroke does not expel the exhaust out the side of the cylinder it relies on push rods that articulate with a lobed camshaft, this opens and closes the exhaust and intake ports, thus my statement of less to go wrong on a 2 stroke.
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