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Old 09-01-2005, 03:48 PM
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Should we rebuild New Oreans?

What is happening right now in the aftermath of Katrina I think must be beyond all of our wildest nightmares. May God give all those suffering folks some sence of dignity. And may we as a nation put all our resourses we have left into helping.

But I have concerns about the rebuilding of New Orleans. Yes it needs to be rebuilt but my concern is that if we pour Billions and billions into this area will it go again soon. It seems the hurricane seasons are becoming more and more severe.
I have been hearing reports today on the radio that New Orleans could have been spared from such devistating damages if the land south of the city all the way to the Gulf which is a lot of miles had been left in its natural state. Mangroves and native vegitation were cleared 80 some odd years ago. The entire Delta is one big ditch now. Most of the ditches were made to drain flood water from the north but worked in reverse dirrection with the storm surge.

My question is do any of you have any ideas what should be done to protect the rebuilding of New Orleans? Must we get the surrounding environment back in a stablized natural state. Should we call in the Army Corps to build bigger levies? Maybe a combination of both. Better yet maybe move the city 50 mile north which might just happen naturally if people and business does not ever move back.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:07 PM
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Demarie and I have been having this disscusion fro several days.
My first question is why did they build there in the first place if it was below sea level and if it was not below sea level how did it get that way? I was talking to Topwater about his gear for sale and the subject of the below sealevel thing came up, he claimed that the place has been slowly sinking and did not start out below sea level. Oh well between sinking and rising seas levels it seems to me like it might be a good time to move for higher ground.
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hi oc, hope married life is agreeing with you. you know,about 40% of the netherlands is below sea level. the dutch are therefor considered the master dyke and levies designers in the world. in fact the person in charge of such things in new orleans is dutch. from what i have read, the new orleans levies are quite old and built to withstand a category 3 hurricane. from that point of view, they held up well. however as some dutch experts have been saying, the 19th century technology and the utter failure of the american government to upgrade despite decades of warnings made the disaster inevitable. hence, it seems to me that ythe technology is there. as for the money aspect---if we can rebuild europe, japan, iraq and all the others why not our own?
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:03 PM
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As large a disaster and tragedy New Orleans is going through right now, my personal thoughts are that having had the dikes built to allow the city to expand into the Gulf was a mistake in the first place. Because of this, I think it would be far better to instead of rebuilding all these area in New Orleans below sea level once again to have them build anew on land that is above sea level. However, knowing how human nature usually works, I would be very surprised if that happened.
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Having watched the coverage with great sympathy, I have to say I was truly saddened and would give my time off in a minute to help if I thought I could make a difference. If I were a charter boat captain or a boat maker in the area I would donate time / craft to the folks, shuttle people to safety, and distribute food. Water is a real issue, perhaps a distillery or bottler of spring water could pay back the ridiculous profits they make on small bottles of water back to the people. Car makers are donating 25 or 50 trucks to the Red Cross, and medical firms are donating first aid and hygiene kits. Perhaps every raft maker in the US could ship inexpensive and highly portable rafts to the area for families trying to move what little memories they have from the muddy flooded streets. General foods - send granola bars, peanut butter, power bars and other easily consumed nutrition. If every company in America did one little thing the victims would fare significantly better. It's encouraging to see the support directed toward the area.

I am a little surprised that our government leaders have not seemed to take a prominent role in this affair as of yet. I could be mistaken but usually politicians involvement in anything comes with the utmost fanfare and propaganda and I haven't heard any chest beating about aid or mobilization of troops toward the cause. If anyone can elighten me I would be all ears.
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What stikes my as odd is that the people traped in these areas have no clue as to the amount of devastation nor even where to go and what is happening......it would seem to me that flyovers and the dropping of info leaflets would go a long way in giving these folks some sense security and direction. The lack of info is obviously contributing to increased frustration, anger and despair.
As for rebuilding....I don't believe that the Dutch experience hurricanes...maybe that, plus their expertise keeps them OK......it make no sense to me, given the that hurricanes frequent the area of the gulf, that building below sea level makes any sense.
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Lots of interesting ideas here.

The Dutch angle is a good one -- maybe the historical portion of the City, the part that is an national park (Jackson Square, the Cathedral, the French Quarter, Preservation Hall) could be restored and rebuilt. I understand that these areas suffered less damage than other portions of the City anyway. A modern system of dikes and levees could keep the water out in event of future hurricanes. Public transportation serving the historic district could be added.

The rest of the City -- Superdome et alia; residential areas; Garden District -- could be assessed on a building by building/block by block/neighborhood by neighborhood basis. What's worth rebuilding, by some criterion, could be rebuilt in situ. The rest of the growth and rebuilding could occur out toward the airport, I guess.

The bottom line is, if there is to be a Nawlens where it once was, there needs to be a massive and modern system of dikes and levess built to withstand the many severe hurricances and rising sea levels we will see in the future.

Nawlens is a spirit -- in music, in the sheer joy of living, in style, in architecture, in cusine, in specialness in our country -- it's without peer. I cannot imagine a United States without Basin Street or Bourbon Street, or Mardi Gras.

Let the good times roll (Laissez les bons temps roulez) again!

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