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Old 06-21-2005, 05:13 PM
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Although UK based and having spent 9 days fishing for blues and stripahs in the Cape I am now totally addicted and looking forward to next years trip.

I brought my 8 weight Xi2 with me coupled with a Loop Evotec 7/10 HD which was fine for the schoolies etc up to 10lb, but I found it difficult to fish surfside (chatham South Beach) and had concerns about whether I would land any fish greater than that mentioned.

I wont say money is no object, but as it is my 50th this year I would like to treat myself.

I feel inclined towards the Winston 5 piece XTR 9 wt coupled to a Tibor Everglades or Abel Super 9.

What do you think of my choice, can anyone suggest a more efficient/different spec?

I'd be very grateful to hear your comments



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Old 06-21-2005, 06:29 PM
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Nemo...Good incentive and an interesting project!

The reels that you mentioned are spot on...I'm sure others will lend further insight.
Juro, Eddie (a certified Gear Oracle of note)...you out there?!
Capacity, relatively impervious to salt, and both boast a proper gorilla drag...
Winston...a bit exotic?! Sage, Scott, and affordable TempleFork, to name a few...test drive first and consider customer service and repairability!

If there's no rush, I'd suggest you keep an eye on eBay as there are deals to be had...
Used rods can sometimes sport a minor ding that can compromise structure...snap crackle pop! Quality reels perhaps less of an issue.

Just a thought...
Since I am "forced" to reside full time on the PharSide of the canal, I'd be happy to hold for you any equipment orders until you arrive to properly baptize them!
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Old 06-21-2005, 09:09 PM
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Well who could complain about such a nice setup!

To each his/her own of course but I much prefer to use a two-hander to deal with surf, not too long but long enough with the ability to reach over the waves and reduce the physical strain of dealing with those challenging conditions.
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Old 06-22-2005, 03:27 AM
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Thanks for the input, Pete............good idea, I'll contact you again when I have decided what I'll buy, many thanks.

Juro, I'm not complaining about my outfit, I just wonder whether it might be a little under gunned. The reel is great but the 8 weight xi2 is at the lower end of capable, for the size of fish possible. Next year I'll bring that and another, not sure whether to go up one or two line weights.

I know that you are a devotee of the double handed rods, I regret that I know little or nothing about their appropriateness or ease of casting.

I'll have to read your posts to get a better insight and take the comments further.

A few persons in the UK use them for SWFF but they havent really taken off, YET!

It took me a year, lots of practice and two day long lessons to achieve respectable distances with my single hander (maybe I'm a slow learner!), would the same input be necessary to learn to use the double hander and what increase in distance could I expect. I currently cast a full WF fly line + couple of yards backing, in ideal conditions and a shooting head - a little further.

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Old 06-22-2005, 05:54 AM
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Kieran,

My apologies I was using the expression "who could complain" which simply means WOW what a setup! Fantastic choice indeed, no complaint heard my friend.

I should have said 'I wish I owned such a fine setup myself'


As for two-handed rods they're not for everyone in the surf. Some like to work hard.
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Old 06-26-2005, 08:13 AM
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I have a Winston BIIX 9wt and it a sweetheart of a rod. Plenty of muscle to land a big fish . The Tibor in my opinion is one of the best reels out there. I used to do machining and can tell you that the workmanship is flawless. FishHawk
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Old 07-12-2005, 04:08 AM
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Thanks chaps for all the very good advice given

I tried a friends 12' 6" 8wt Double Hander over the weekend, now that has really put the cat amongst the pigeons - I loved it - might have to get two rods now.

PS: Can we have an an embargo on wife's accessing these posts?

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Old 07-12-2005, 04:39 PM
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I tried a friends 12' 6" 8wt Double Hander over the weekend, now that has really put the cat amongst the pigeons - I loved it - might have to get two rods now.......
Kieran
If you are leaning towards a two-hander for overhead casting, you really,
really should try out the Atlantis before buying anything.
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Kieran,

Glad you liked the rod. Made the mistake of lending it to Martin, think I might not being seeing the rod for a while.

I had a really good look at the Atlantis when we were in the Bearden. I was sorely tempted as it is a special rod. If I wasn't off to Canada for two weeks in September, I almost certainly would have bought one. The only downside I could see was that it is a three piece which will make it interesting to fly with. Your rod case will end up being a little longer.
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Old 07-13-2005, 07:42 AM
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That was a great rod, awesome ease of use and capabilities in certain circumstances.

I too like the atlantis, at 2/3 the cost of the Sage it is atttractive, good reviews and shorter.

I wonder if anyone knows of a double handed overhead casting DH Saltwater Tool, of good quality that will go in a aircraft locker?

Definitely the way to go, in rough conditions where distance necessary.

Not sure what it will be like as a fishing tool, will only find out, if I ever manage to hook something!

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Old 07-13-2005, 08:14 AM
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The three pc decision was made for best flex (solid middle section) and durability while being practical. A 4 or 5pc would travel well but this rod has a rather rough day job and it might be fragile with so many ferrules to watch.

I put this and other rods in a hard case and check it as baggage, keeping a single 5-pc single hander with my carry-on luggage in case I get to some faraway destination and my luggage does not arrive till the last day.

As far as being a good fishing tool I think our call to make it 11ft was right on the money. When holding the upper grip the tip guide is just about the same distance from the hand as a 9ft rod's tip. Based on over 10 years of experimentation I believe another 18 inches (12'6") changes things dramatically in the strip-retrieve and fish landing department, never mind another 48" inches of graphite on a 15 ft'er.

I can honestly say that as I become more accustomed to fishing the sea with a two-hander the single hander seems less practical all the time.

On the flats I thought it would be best to bring the lighter single hand rod when the skies were bright, but recently I've found that I fare much better with the 1109 All-arounder since I can see the fish further away, they can see me better and so I can take more effective lead shots even some of over 100ft on a flat without even breathing hard. The fish don't even know I am there by the time I set the hook at high noon on a bluebird day.

I now believe that the lighter single hander is a better tool for low light since the fish and I don't see each other until we almost bump into each other.

Unless the sun completely disappears and I search for a tide rip or hit the ocean surf, when I really miss the two-hander again. Fishing big waves with a single hander is just plain hard work, and a raging ocean tide rip begs for long casts and high grains to keep the fly from swinging out of the current too fast.

When blind casting, which I try to avoid, I find it much more satisfying to air out casts of 120ft or more. It also keeps the fly "in play" a lot longer and increases the chances of a positive encounter.

I think there is a 'hump' that the adopter needs to overcome before they accept the benefits without reservation. By the time an angler becomes proficient at single hand overhead casting, they're at a point where teaching them a new trick is not as easy. The first time someone throws a two-hander they will battle with years of muscle memory. This same nuance is evident in the Spey casting community worldwide, it's just human physics and nature.

But like Spey fishing, there are distinct advantages for those who get over the hump particularly for those who fish the sea, IMHO.
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