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Old 05-12-2005, 09:49 AM
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Albacore/bonito hooks...stainless?

I may be getting a bit overly cautious here, but have any of you noticed problems fishing for hardtails when you tie flies on bright stainless hooks? My inclination is that this really shouldn't be a problem since these fish feed in a flash, and don't really inspect a fly like a striper on Monomoy in August.

Please correct me if my assumption is wrong. If so, I could start tying these patterns on hooks with a duller matte or black finish if it really makes a difference.

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Old 05-12-2005, 12:55 PM
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When you think about it any hook unless covered by the materials should look odd or out of place to the fish. I attended one of Abram's lectures where he covered this topic although not in the context of speedsters which have excellent vision. The statement went something like - maybe it's not so much what looks out of place as what looks correct and intices the instinct to strike. These were not his exact words but it's what I took away from the speel and I think in many cases this is correct. A hook is not naturally occuring in nature, tie a good representation of something that is in color or size or movement and that hook and perhaps the hook is not even recognized. I don't know and don't think I'm getting all moonie here but I think there is at least some truth in it.

If the hook is sharp, does not interfere with the action and doen't bend or break you should be all set. If they do see the hook clear as day it seems to me a dark hook might stand out more in contrast to the school of bait than one that twinkles a bit when light hits it. At any rate it's a good topic.
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Jim-

In regards to your first paragraph, I agree wholeheartedly. Flies have triggering mechanisms that make fish bite in spite of the hook showing.

I ask the question regarding albacore/bonito because quite frankly I have far less experience with them than I do skinny water stripers, trout, etc. where a shiny hook can make a difference (and has in my past experiences). And since hardtails have such keen vision, even though they knife through bait at incredible speeds, I was wondering what the potential impact might be. You're probably right, a bit of flash off a hook near other bait probably doesn't look out of place at all.

Thanks for your feedback.
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I'm no expert and would also be interested in what others have to say.
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My experience is that for those fish I want a VERY sharp hook so I tye those flies and use them with the thin, shinny SS gamagatsu hooks. They are very thin in appearance so I can not tell if the fish are spoting them but I don't think so since they are hitting them. For the stripers it's the Tiemco and Varivas...or in some cases the Trey Combs , which are shinny too.... the POINT sharpness has always been my first concern.... tiemco on the flats though

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For Albies and small tuna, I always use the black finish Owner Aki, a fairly heavy wire, strong, sharp hook. We generally put a lot of drag pressure on the fish and we find that the heavier wire of the Owner works out well.
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